Pregnant people?

[Trustisamust]

So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

Yeah those are gender terms we created for animals. Their sex is male and female. Their gender is then the terms we (for some reason) came up for them.
They are identifying with being who they are. They don't have to be sterotypcially feminine, present female or have any surgery.
Again. It isn't a choice. Its them being who they are and what is most comfortable to them.
Woman is a gender term that typically uses she/her pronouns and usually identifies closely to the female sex or is of the female sex. But there are no rules on what a woman or man are.
Bye 🤍

Wait.... What?!

Are you talking about sheep and horses here?

and they use the terms identifies as not IS.

Surely sexual health workers , well.domt they deal with underage girls etc akd aren't they meant to be aware of who might be vulnerable to sexual exploitation/abuse"

How would one identify who was at risk, who are they at risk from and how would this information be communicated to safguarding leads or law enforcement?

Language matters. Understanding of language matters. It’s why children should know the words for their body parts. A small child saying x touched my flower is not going to raise a red flag. A small child saying x touched my vulva would.

Mother is a legal term. Freddy is on his child’s birth certificate as mother.

If someone intends to give a child up for adoption at birth they are still the child’s legal mother on the birth certificate.

Women and trans men - perfectly clear. Why is no one campaigning to have sex and gender recognised? It’s vital to know sex for medical care.

A trans man with a GRC who has the sex/gender single option changed to male on their medical records - will they be called for cervical and breast screening? Will their blood tests be checked against male or female levels? Will they be asked if they could be pregnant before prescribing drugs or having an x Ray or any other of the myriad things that can impact a pregnancy?

There are lots of reasons which impact ability to understand language whether written or spoken. Clarity is vital. As a sexual health professional you should know this. It’s why colloquial terms are used in many sexual health resources. Using the phrase HIV can be transmitted through semen is not as understandable as saying HIV can be transmitted through sex.

Mind you. Here’s a somewhat mangled attempt at being inclusive. www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/sexual-health/improving-your-sexual-health/condoms

If over one year men used condoms properly and consistently with their female partners, 98% of these women would avoid getting pregnant.

This is on the same page as:

The external, or 'male' condom is worn over the erect penis or sex toy, while the internal or 'female' condom is a pouch with two rings inside it inserted into the vagina before sex.

So does that mean transmen who use internal condoms won’t impregnate a transwoman?

Sorry the " should have been a ? I.wasnt putting exploitation in.quite marks.

Future Court Case as to why a patient died:

Well, Your Honour, we couldn't treat the patient as we were unsure as to the internal, unseen gender identity of the patient and it is inconceivable that we should assume said identity as that is misgendering and would have killed them.

@RedDogsBeg

Future Court Case as to why a patient died:

Well, Your Honour, we couldn't treat the patient as we were unsure as to the internal, unseen gender identity of the patient and it is inconceivable that we should assume said identity as that is misgendering and would have killed them.

It’s not even future. www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/05/16/pregnant-transgender-man-births-stillborn-baby-hospital-missed-labor-signs/3692201002/

www.bbc.com/future/article/20200814-why-our-medical-systems-are-ignoring-transgender-people

@RabbitOfCaerbannog

My hypothesis is that ASugarr can't give anyone any guidance on gender identity without reference to gender stereotypes, despite denying that gender identity is dependent on stereotypes.

I don't think this is a bad hypothesis in the absence of any explanation.

I seem to recall a thread in which a proponent of gender ideology effectively explained (after failing to explain effectively for some time) that they had always felt submissive, weaker, wanted to be treated like the girls were when they were younger etc

Mmn interesting Maybe this is why strong, intelligent, successful women have to be 'transed' because otherwise it spoils the internal vision of women as being weak and submissive?

Trans men are men.

No. You are so confused. Transmen are transmen. Biological females.

Trans women are women.
Transwomen are transwomen. Biological males.

Being a man or a woman comes with no rules on what your sex must be

The rules are in biology.
Man: adult human male
Woman: adult human female.

You only outwardly change this by becoming a transwomen or transman. Which is not the same as man or woman.

and, most importantly, these changes don't change anything for cis people.

There's very few cis people here. Lots of woman though (adult human females). Trying to impose these rules changes everything for them. Which is why we are not going to let that happen.

I googled NHS medical card phone and I got this

'Medical cards are no longer issued in England. If you still have one it may have an old-style NHS Number made-up of both letters and numbers. However, in recent years this has been replaced for all patients with an NHS Number containing only numbers. For more information about the NHS number visit the NHS website.'

And then a load of stuff about the European health insurance thing.

I genuinely have no idea what this phone medical card is.

If young people are being told why not older people who are more likely to have health conditions?

I can imagine people being uncomfy with personal stuff coming up from lock screen at the press of a button as well.

I feel like I've gone through the looking glass and down the yellow brick road.

Maybe the easiest thing is to just revel in the madness.

I remember Posie Parker tripping up Adrian Harrop with the would you treat a transwoman as woman in a medical situation? question, so even one of the greatest advocates of TW are women in all circumstances admitted that TW are not women.

@Erkrie

Trans men are men.

No. You are so confused. Transmen are transmen. Biological females.

Trans women are women.
Transwomen are transwomen. Biological males.

Being a man or a woman comes with no rules on what your sex must be

The rules are in biology.
Man: adult human male
Woman: adult human female.

You only outwardly change this by becoming a transwomen or transman. Which is not the same as man or woman.

and, most importantly, these changes don't change anything for cis people.

There's very few cis people here. Lots of woman though (adult human females). Trying to impose these rules changes everything for them. Which is why we are not going to let that happen.

Incorrect 🤍

Will you concede the earth is round and we'll go from there?

Ekrie is correct, and do please stop with the childish heart emoji at the end of your posts, you are conversing with adults try acting like one.

@NiceGerbil

I googled NHS medical card phone and I got this

'Medical cards are no longer issued in England. If you still have one it may have an old-style NHS Number made-up of both letters and numbers. However, in recent years this has been replaced for all patients with an NHS Number containing only numbers. For more information about the NHS number visit the NHS website.'

And then a load of stuff about the European health insurance thing.

I genuinely have no idea what this phone medical card is.

If young people are being told why not older people who are more likely to have health conditions?

I can imagine people being uncomfy with personal stuff coming up from lock screen at the press of a button as well.

The physical cards aren't distributed from the NHS anymore. Some people get them though if they require the sunflower lanyards and more. Here is now to create a medical ID on an Iphone

support.apple.com/en-us/HT207021. If not we try to find ID, however like I said I'm not a paramedic and any serious medical incidents need to be left to a paramedic or doctor.

Can you give me some info for the UK NHS on this phone thing please. It's really interesting. I can't find it on Google.

And the frilly hearts over everything are really getting on my tits. Which I assume is what they're there for, to irritate. How old are you

@RabbitOfCaerbannog

My hypothesis is that ASugarr can't give anyone any guidance on gender identity without reference to gender stereotypes, despite denying that gender identity is dependent on stereotypes.

I don't think this is a bad hypothesis in the absence of any explanation.

I seem to recall a thread in which a proponent of gender ideology effectively explained (after failing to explain effectively for some time) that they had always felt submissive, weaker, wanted to be treated like the girls were when they were younger etc

Funnily enough, the top secret nature of the questions that would be asked to help someone establish their gender identity has not persuaded me to discard my original hypothesis.

Interesting to note that weakness and submissiveness are traits with which at least some mtf transitioners identify.

I wonder if Nicola Sturgeon, Margaret Thatcher, Boudicca and Angela Merkel would have ever described themselves as weak and submissive.

Look.id give it up. When you assert a boundary which inevitably you will, you will be labelled transphobic anyway.

Best to do so before you lose all credibility or have to pull a.nandy by standing up infront of eveeyone and say a male bodied rapist should be able to choose their prison.

If you disagree with that idea then you are a transphobe so there's really no point on keeping this up

That's not an nhs thing. It's an apple feature.

I wonder if the frilly hearts would be used if the poster in question were conversing with users on the Pistonheads forum.

If not, why not...

Apropos of nothing, I can not recommend googling the Jam Thick People sketch enough.

That's only for Apple. And some functions have Available only in the United States on them.

Is this a widely known nhs thing or not?
What if you don't have an iPhone (expensive) won't those young people feel disadvantaged?

Incorrect

Nope. Entirely correct. 🤍

@NiceGerbil

Can you give me some info for the UK NHS on this phone thing please. It's really interesting. I can't find it on Google.

And the frilly hearts over everything are really getting on my tits. Which I assume is what they're there for, to irritate. How old are you

support.apple.com/en-us/HT207021

Here is how to set your medical ID/Card up on your iphone. For android you can use the app Medical ID:ICE and it will display the same thing. Sorry I enjoy the hearts so I will continue to use them 🤍