Pregnant people?

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So our local NHS Trust have finally updated their guidance re allowing partners to attend pregnancy scans etc.
They now refer to pregnant people, not pregnant women.
I don't know if I am being unreasonable here but this does not sit comfortably with me?

@LockdownLard

I’m sorry for what you have been through. However cervical cancer isn't just a woman's issue. Transgender men (who are men) can also develop this

This is one of the most stupidest thing I have ever read. I'm beginning to have no hope for humanity.

And this is coming from a sexual health “professional” who has unchaperoned access to young people in schools and sexual health clinics. One can only imagine what sort of advice a teen having (developmentally normal for that age) feelings of confusion over their identity would be given.....

So you want me to tell trans men to deny their biological sex and not have cervical exams? And you think that would be better? Wow.

Two same sex people getting married has zero impact on my life or anyone else’s.
Using ambiguous language in health care can and has caused deaths.

Neither does transgender people being accepted for who they are! That's the irony!

Only if you are not the woman who died because of the use of ambiguous language, otherwise it matters a lot!!!

So you want me to tell trans men to deny their biological sex and not have cervical exams? And you think that would be better? Wow.

That is literally the opposite of what any one here wants.
You are the one who is denying their biological sex, which is....?

We are just silly middle class mummies who sit around gossiping in our crochet circles.

I'm getting very tempted to take up crochet.

@EastWestWhosBest

So you want me to tell trans men to deny their biological sex and not have cervical exams? And you think that would be better? Wow.

That is literally the opposite of what any one here wants.
You are the one who is denying their biological sex, which is....?

But gender has nothing to do with sex. I've not denied biology once. Being a woman and a man are gender terms and have nothing to do with your biological sex.

But gender has nothing to do with sex. I've not denied biology once. Being a woman and a man are gender terms and have nothing to do with your biological sex.

So what is a transman’s sex?

@EastWestWhosBest

But gender has nothing to do with sex. I've not denied biology once. Being a woman and a man are gender terms and have nothing to do with your biological sex.

So what is a transman’s sex?

Female at birth.

As a woman myself I don't believe anything of mine is affected to rightfully include all women.

I don't understand how that makes sense in the context of this thread. Please can you explain how pregnancy care affects transwomen? Surely this is about women and transmen?

but if transwomen are women how do we tell which type of women may need pregnancy care and which will never need to consider that?

Or is it that transwomen are actually transwomen?

Since when did woman and man become gender terms. ? Transwomen and transmen are gender terms. Non binary and gender fluid are gender terms . Transfemme and transmasculine are gender terms. Man and women are the nouns to denote the adult human mammal's sex..

@334bu

Since when did woman and man become gender terms. ? Transwomen and transmen are gender terms. Non binary and gender fluid are gender terms . Transfemme and transmasculine are gender terms. Man and women are the nouns to denote the adult human mammal's sex..

Male.and female are the nouns to denote to the adult human sex. Not man and woman. Man and woman are gender terms.

@IDontOnlyLikeJazzFunk

As a woman myself I don't believe anything of mine is affected to rightfully include all women.

I don't understand how that makes sense in the context of this thread. Please can you explain how pregnancy care affects transwomen? Surely this is about women and transmen?

but if transwomen are women how do we tell which type of women may need pregnancy care and which will never need to consider that?

Or is it that transwomen are actually transwomen?

You ask them... Kinda that simple.

@Thefaceofboe

You just have to think that most people you speak to on a daily, think pregnant ‘people’ and ‘chest’feeding is a load of bollocks, I only see otherwise on Twitter. I try not to get worked up about it

Yes. Away from Twitter most people never use this language and would think you were off your head if you did.

I mean it's how we teach sex education so 🤍

Male.and female are the nouns to denote to the adult human sex. Not man and woman. Man and woman are gender terms.

What rubbish.
Mare adult female horse . So is mare a gender term ? Of course not and neither is woman

It's not how I teach sex education. I teach biological facts. Included in this is woman: Adult human female. So 🤍

@Erkrie

It's not how I teach sex education. I teach biological facts. Included in this is woman: Adult human female. So 🤍

Okay well the RSE guidelines are to keep things gender nutural so.

@334bu

Male.and female are the nouns to denote to the adult human sex. Not man and woman. Man and woman are gender terms.

What rubbish.
Mare adult female horse . So is mare a gender term ? Of course not and neither is woman

Then why do we have male and female then? What do they mean if not sex terms?

Think you'll find the NHS and other health organizations classify man and woman as gender terms.

So?

Female at birth

What about the rest of their life?

Why end a sentence with so? Makes it look like you don't in face know what you mean.
Men and women. It's not difficult. Well only in the last five years or so.
Please make the madness end.

So if I am female what species am I?

Think you'll find the NHS and other health organizations classify man and woman as gender terms

Not in my health trust they don't. They classify them as sex terms.

Female at birth

Just at birth?

Sex is important in healthcare. Otherwise you just have random things happening to random people, no connection and no way of seeing what needs improving or how they can do that.

A woman is an adult human female in law. The endocrine society have just published a report defining clearly what we all already know that changing biological sex is impossible. Some women want to be men and vice versa and they can change their appearance, sometimes including surgery, to create the apoearance of the opposite sex. But they haven't, and cannot, change sex. 'Gender' can only ever be a set of expectations, assumptions, beliefs about how each sex behaves, speaks, dresses. Believing that these are somehow set in stone such that they actually define what being a woman or man is, is a most backward and restrictive idea. Women (and men) today are far freer to be themselves because feminism challenged and overturned these regressive notions.

Female at birth.

And what about now? Still female yes?