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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone fancy co-parenting with LOJ?

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AdHominemNonSequitur · 03/04/2021 17:56

Owen Jones wants a baby, and would like a lesbian couple to impregnate. Any takers on mumsnet? He could be quite a catch for someone looking for a sperm donor and a co-parent to raise a well balanced child.
He got a bit of flack, so is doubling down on the the "anti-trans cult" and calling everyone homophobic.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2021 19:15

Really Ash? Because as a GC feminist aware of this issue for years, I have never thought that "being respectful and inclusive of trans people erases my own womanhood". However "inclusive" I am of males, it has no bearing on the fact of either my sex or theirs.

LacyEdge · 05/04/2021 19:25

“The Katie Hopkins of the left” is exactly it. Clickbaity brattishness and charmless belligerence. It’s a winning combo for today’s media firebrand.

ThePurpleHat · 05/04/2021 19:33

I really don't understand why he can't see that he's being "transphobic" by not thinking he could have a relationship with a transman, and have a baby.

Erkrie · 05/04/2021 20:12

I really don't understand why he can't see that he's being "transphobic" by not thinking he could have a relationship with a transman, and have a baby.

Well that would be the obvious solution wouldnt it. If he wants children then he should look for relationship with a man who can give birth.

NiceGerbil · 05/04/2021 21:14

He being transphobic by connecting lesbian with female homosexual and female biology.

He's being a lesbophobic misogynist when he jokes about 'hunting' (creepy stalker overtones) 'broody' lesbians.

Because women get broody and wasn't babies don't they. And are so desperate they will accept any old spunk from any old bloke who hunts them down.

It's just grim.

He is a gay MRA and that's long and short of it.

NiceGerbil · 05/04/2021 21:18

And the whole point is it doesn't make sense. That doesn't matter

The fact that language linking women and reproduction has been changed in many places, that feminist marches are told not to be 'gynocentric' as it is exclusionary, all the menstruators language etc

And that a male is a lesbian if they say so.

He doesn't believe a fucking word of it. It's just about being an absolute sod to women.

People are reading though. Gay men and lesbians answering saying WTF. It doesn't go unnoticed.

Erkrie · 05/04/2021 21:24

It's more than clear he doesn't believe a word of it.

MissBarbary · 05/04/2021 22:30

He being transphobic by connecting lesbian with female homosexual and female biology

He must see it surely?

I'm no fan of Freddy McConnell but fgs McConnell is one the most well known Guardian journalists - did McConnell's situation never cross Jones' mind?

ANewCreation · 05/04/2021 22:31

"Hopefully womb transplants for trans women will be a thing soon, cos it'll be so much fun watching bigots imploding when a trans woman offers to be a surrogate for a gay couple."

Surely there is nothing to stop them volunteering now?

After all, several young transwomen without a GRC merrily put their sex as 'female' on the census just a couple of weeks ago.

Unless...

LizzieSiddal · 05/04/2021 22:52

LOJ is a nasty little prick who enjoys causing a “stir” and gaslighting. As someone else posted, he’s a left wing version of Katie Hopkins.

littlbrowndog · 05/04/2021 22:59

Access to birthing people. Like we are cattle

Anyone fancy co-parenting with LOJ?
LizzieSiddal · 05/04/2021 23:01

Access to a birthing person

Yes that’s exactly how LOJ and the other misogynists think.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2021 23:50

@littlbrowndog

Access to birthing people. Like we are cattle
Ugh.

No, it's not homophobia. Women would have the same sort of negative response to any man who referred to 'hunting broody lesbians', or 'hunting for a broody woman'. Though in OJs case there's the added hypocrisy and double standards.

There are many cases of excellent co-parenting arrangements involving gay men. I'm going to bet they're based on mutual respect.

Erkrie · 05/04/2021 23:54

Access to birthing people. Like we are cattle

Wow. There are no words. Access to birthing people? They can fuck right off.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2021 23:58

Is there any chance that 'birthing person' tweet was meant to be heavily sarcastic?

NiceGerbil · 06/04/2021 01:16

TBF that access to birthing people comment wasn't made by OJ. (I assumed it was).

The more I think about using the word hunting the angrier I get.

Women and girls are taught, essentially, that we are prey, from a young age. We get a vast amount of messages constantly that danger lurks, predators are about, and we should go through life with this in mind.

Whatever we think of that message is beside the point (another thread!).

But in the context of women's lives, and thinking about it, the recent well publicised murder of a woman who was killed by a predator (man).

How is the word hunted ok?

Just so much awful.

Contradicting everything he's said about twaw and some lesbians like dick
Talking about hunting women
The word broody bothers me as well. It's highly gendered
The trivialising of the risks, responsibilities etc of pregnancy and childbirth

And in the end why is he hunting a lesbian couple? My guess is that they would have the honour of continuing his DNA. And would do all the child rearing. And he'd pop round from time to time with a gift (they'd cook him dinner or otherwise host him, I'm sure is how it works in his head). And he'd get some nice pics for his social media.

He's definitely trolling. It's the same as the pink news guy so I'm sure he knew it would attract criticism.

GreyhoundG1rl · 06/04/2021 01:17

@ErrolTheDragon

Is there any chance that 'birthing person' tweet was meant to be heavily sarcastic?
I think so, actually.
Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 06/04/2021 08:10

I saw that 'access to a birthing person' tweet yesterday and assumed it was sarcasm, but you never can tell to be honest!

Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 06/04/2021 08:36

Also, interesting that he wrote his article about this on Medium, presumably even the Guardian told him to fuck off on this one!

Tootsweets23 · 06/04/2021 09:01

Wonder inside his head how much is deliberate shit stirring, how much is accidental but enjoying the blow back and how much is kicking himself for the Freudian slip showing he doesn't believe gender ideology in the slightest thus exposing another one of his grifts?

littlbrowndog · 06/04/2021 10:28

From Twitter

Anyone fancy co-parenting with LOJ?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/04/2021 10:46
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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 06/04/2021 11:29

@ErrolTheDragon

Is there any chance that 'birthing person' tweet was meant to be heavily sarcastic?
The bloke who tweeted it follows Titania McGrath (and Jordan Peterson) so I wouldn’t take it at face value myself.
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 06/04/2021 11:29

@littlbrowndog

From Twitter
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zanahoria · 06/04/2021 11:45

presumably even the Guardian told him to fuck off on this one

The Guardian tries to steer clear of the actual arguments in this debate, all we get is the soft sell on how oppressed trans people are.

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