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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

English teacher tells class that JKR is transphobic

348 replies

QpopTYUIop9 · 25/03/2021 17:41

Just that really.
I'm absolutely fuming.
30 kids now "hate" JKR apparently.
This is an abuse of influence surely, not to mention a worrying lack of critical thinking.
I've printed out the "transphobic" tweets so my Y7 child can make up their own mind. With a lot of ranting from me in the background Angry.

OP posts:
Gerla · 26/03/2021 18:03

Just as homosexuals decide what’s homophobic, so do trans people decide what’s transphobic.
That doesn't seem to hold true for women though, does it? Why do transwomen get to decide what it means to be a trans person AND what it means to be a woman? That's clearly not fair. @radicalhag put it better than me on Twitter:

"We do not attempt to define trans people's reality for them. We do assert that trans women are not identical to us and that our priorities and requirements do not always coincide. If they disagree, then it is they who are attempting to define our reality."

MissBarbary · 26/03/2021 18:14

@JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown

However, the simple fact remains: Just as homosexuals decide what’s homophobic, so do trans people decide what’s transphobic.

This rule fairly applied should mean that women decide what's misogynistic. Somehow I never see this applied with the same enthusiasm.

Oh I've seen it said forcefully on here that only women get to decide what is sexist.

It's a bit of an aside but it's nonsense for all the protected characteristics. It completely ignores the possibility of at best being petty and looking for something to be offended by and at worse malicious accusations, in all cases leaving the person being accused with no defence.

midgedude · 26/03/2021 18:20

I think that when someone says something is insulting you have a duty to listen ( even if it's a woman saying something is misogyny) ,

but it does not mean thing was insulting

And I think people have a duty to assume the best of people in the first case , be slow to take offence ( although women tend to overdo that if the AIBU board is anythjbg to go by)

Helleofabore · 26/03/2021 18:23

"We do not attempt to define trans people's reality for them. We do assert that trans women are not identical to us and that our priorities and requirements do not always coincide. If they disagree, then it is they who are attempting to define our reality."

I read this and it surely did resonate.

NecessaryScene1 · 26/03/2021 18:25

Some others retweeted by JCJ on the same subject:

Self identification blues:

"No-one else can tell me who I am".

"The problem here is that you're saying that you are me. So by your own logic, I am entitled to a say in the matter."

If someone says they are the same as you, they are telling you what you are. And their use of the supposed right of 'always respect self-id' can only be granted by exactly overriding your right to it. So such a right is contradictory, and unworkable.

Gerla · 26/03/2021 18:30

The problem here is that you're saying that you are me. So by your own logic, I am entitled to a say in the matter.

Yes, isn't this just the crux of the matter? If I said I knew what it was to be black or disabled or Jewish....or basically anything I am not, I would be judged. Yet, I am supposed to nod compliantly at someone born male saying they know what it means to be born female? It is so frustrating. Why don't the normal rules apply?

NecessaryScene1 · 26/03/2021 18:37

I would be judged.

A woman would never be permitted to take a transwoman's place.

GNCQ · 26/03/2021 20:24

Only men can be transwomen.
Women can't be transwomen.
Now women can't even be women.
We have to be cis-women.

lionheart · 26/03/2021 20:32

@Helmetbymidnight

As for AA Milne and Kenneth Graham - awful.

The privileged arrogant Toad commits driving offences then dresses up as woman so not only transphobic but transpeciesphobic to escape from prison. If that's not a dog-whistle, I don't know what is.

Et tu Winnie the Pooh? Smile
WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 26/03/2021 20:34

Can I self identify as a transwoman? I know that's what I am. You can't tell me I'm not. It's literal violence.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/03/2021 21:16

little known fact: eeyore was actually non-binary and christopher robin became a cross-dresser (and therefore under the trans umbrella) called chrissy rubbings.

TheBuffster · 26/03/2021 21:19

Eyore wears a pink bow.

lionheart · 26/03/2021 21:32

Anyone like to get started on the semiotics of the Heffalump?

English teacher tells class that JKR is transphobic
midgeswithnofingernails · 26/03/2021 21:34

Was it coloured in the original books though? Or have Disney gendered eyore ?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 26/03/2021 21:34

Cracks fingers - I wrote my dissertation on Barthes...

lionheart · 26/03/2021 21:36

Disneyfication. Smile

midgeswithnofingernails · 26/03/2021 21:37

Dissertation on Barthes? Any particular type ? Avacado? Roll top?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 26/03/2021 21:38

I wish... my Tutor was a big fan and I made the mistake of mentioning that I’d read Mythologies...

lionheart · 26/03/2021 21:40

Missed opportunity right here.

But I hope you get some answers OP.

English teacher tells class that JKR is transphobic
lionheart · 26/03/2021 21:41

Big mistake toffee.

ArabellaScott · 26/03/2021 22:03

@midgeswithnofingernails

Dissertation on Barthes? Any particular type ? Avacado? Roll top?
Grin
gardenbird48 · 26/03/2021 22:05

I love this last page of the thread.

Thanks ladies, you've given me a laugh tonight.

Star Star Star

toffeebutterpopcorn · 26/03/2021 22:05

More life barf 🤮

gardenbird48 · 26/03/2021 22:07

I also remain slightly mystified that David Walliams and Matt Lucas haven't been properly cancelled yet (unless certain deletions have been made and I missed them??)

ArabellaScott · 26/03/2021 22:12

Ah, they are male, gardenbird. They get a free pass.

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