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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this ok for my email pronouns

171 replies

ohhmyown · 25/03/2021 12:37

My company has an auto filed message under our email signatures

Xxx asks colleagues, clients and partners to respect that my pronouns are ... ( I fill this)

I want to put.... Myname. Which is obviously female as Its a classic British name, but often clients I deal with in the EMEA areas write to me as my surname or Mr surname, just assuming I'm a man and you know what I just don't care. I don't want to write she/ they/ that/ wear a hat.

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Gastontheladybird2 · 25/03/2021 15:44

Sex based would be my choice Grin

Mn753 · 25/03/2021 15:44

Also, attempts at censoring how people talk about you when you're not there seem a little on the demanding side.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 25/03/2021 15:45

I'd channel my grandma:

Eeeeee/canny-lass
Away/the-bairn
Haddaway/pet
Haddaway/an-loss-yessel'

talesofginza · 25/03/2021 15:48

"Xxx asks colleagues, clients and partners to respect that pronouns are a public good."

Nobody 'owns' pronouns. They are a fundamental part of speech designed to help us communicate, not validate the individual.

justanotherneighinparadise · 25/03/2021 15:49

I’d be petty and ask for the HR training, complete it and then say you are fluid so wouldn’t like to be tied down to any one set. That you are happy for others to use whatever pronouns they feel happy with when addressing you.

SnafuButGreyNow · 25/03/2021 15:49

@Mn753

Also, attempts at censoring how people talk about you when you're not there seem a little on the demanding side.
Also this!

'please respect that I don't give a fuck how you refer to me when you're talking about me behind my back'

Queenoftheashes · 25/03/2021 15:50

You say it’s only the uk branch doing this.
Because in say France there are no gender neutral pronouns so you can’t decide to be “they”? Is this purely an English language affliction?

panachronic · 25/03/2021 15:58

Adding preferred pronouns has recently gained traction where I work and people are adding theirs voluntarily at the end of their email signature. I don't like it so won't be joining in.

Angelica789 · 25/03/2021 16:03

Recent research showed 65% of trans people are not out at work. Forcing people to declare pronouns is likely to be very distressing for this group and should not be encouraged.

Hallyup5 · 25/03/2021 16:18

I recently got an email from a university where they had a similar signature. It was the first time I'd seen it and I pointed out to my husband how utterly ridiculous it was.

Personally, I'd just delete the signature if I had the option, otherwise I'd leave it as 'insert choices' and allow the person on the receiving end to do just that.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 25/03/2021 16:23

I'm seeing it on LinkedIn more. It looks unprofessional (especially since it always seems to be stating the bleeding obvious).

notalwaysalondoner · 25/03/2021 16:24

I still find this so weird - it’s the exact opposite of the approach for sexuality where you’re not supposed to pressure people coming out etc. So hypocritical. I get that it’s supposed to make it easier for trans people to share their pronouns, but what about all the people out there who might be struggling with their identity and don’t know what pronouns they want? It’s just so logically inconsistent and poorly thought out.

picklemewalnuts · 25/03/2021 16:31

@ohhmyown is this what you were looking for?

JoodyBlue · 25/03/2021 16:36

I vote for delete the email add on

ohhmyown · 25/03/2021 17:06

@DayBath

Wait, so you implied you were struggling with what to identify as and he laughed at you? That's not very woke of him now is it.

Wonder what HR would have to say about him mocking you.

He knows I'm a trouble maker, he's a great boss actually and knows it's all ridiculous 😂 and this was on the phone, he's certainly woke enough to not write anything in an email that could be used against him.
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ohhmyown · 25/03/2021 17:09

@picklemewalnuts 🔭 erm I can't see anything. That's my current approach ignoring it

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donquixotedelamancha · 25/03/2021 17:20

There are lots of pronouns. Who, what, where, whatever, itself. You could get very inventive.

You could also go for second person pronouns:

Xxx asks colleagues, clients and partners to respect that my pronouns are 'your highness'

FKATondelayo · 25/03/2021 18:02

This is such bullshit. When did people become fucking idiots? I honestly am embarrassed for anyone who puts pronouns in their bio or signature - I immediately lose respect for them. I am so glad I don't have a job. Grin

I have a meeting later with a not-for-profit that is Pronouns Central. If they ask me my pronouns they will get Short Shrift. Everyone who can afford to needs to point out the madness of this - on behalf of those who need their job.

midgebabe · 25/03/2021 18:07

I intend to put he/him/his and let them challenge that

I may have a female body but I don't identify as woman , so that implies I must have a male gender identity?

PurpleHoodie · 25/03/2021 18:09

Established job: state your pronouns.

Anyone: No

Tunbleweed

Heirarchy: Hmmmmmm k

ValancyRedfern · 25/03/2021 18:15

I'd delete or go with you/you (second person equivalents of she/her) as these are the only relevant pronouns if they are emailing you. I would relish the chance to be a grammar pedant as well as a gender heretic!

DeusEx · 25/03/2021 18:20

I am yet to see anyone put it in their signature for whom their pronouns aren’t bloody obvious from their name and appearance.

DeusEx · 25/03/2021 18:21

And that includes a trans colleague: her name is female, she dresses as a woman and has done for years, clearly referring ‘she’ is her preferred pronoun.

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 25/03/2021 18:25

The choice not to declare your preferred pronoun should be there. Just as you can 'prefer not to say' about ethnicity in a survey.

Others have had more inventive responses. The point about people not being 'out' a transgender is well made.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 25/03/2021 18:30

If you need to out-woke HR, tell them they’re contravening the 6th Yogyakarta Principle by forcing you to declare your gender identity.

yogyakartaprinciples.org/principle-6/

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