So are we really not allowed to talk about Eddie at all?

[aliasundercover]

My interest in Eddie Izzard is limited, but I have found it interesting how many threads about him have been zapped. Is there a reason for this?

Is this the MN version of Aimeeeeee Chancellor at Reddit? Does Eddie have some kind of sway around here?

Hard to read this thread as there are so many deletions. Can we have a clear explanation of what’s allowed?!

Oh! I was deleted.

Really don't understand why.

Will I ever find out? I really was trying to be respectful of EI and of the wider issue around misgendering. Ho hum.

I posted on Doyoumind's thread that got zapped. I wanted to ask MNHQ just what "in the spirit" means - so we can better toe the line. But best to leave it vague, hey MNHQ? Easier to zap posts and threads as and when it suits you

Did Eddie Izzard get a girl fee or a boy fee for their most recent film?

That the concept isn't met with instant incredulity is a testament to the rampant sexism required to accept it.

Exactly. Ever more authoritarian policing of criticism of this nonsense everywhere online and off just shows up how fragile the whole house of cards is.

@ListeningQuietly

Did Eddie Izzard get a girl fee or a boy fee for their most recent film?

I have a suspicion it was a boy fee but it looked crap so l can't see there being many royalties.

Yes @ListeningQuietly

That's what being in 'girl mode' is for most of females (I can't call grown-ups girls as that's one way our opinions are ignored).

The level of violence perpetuated to women is huge when people like EI deliberately try and obfuscate the actual societal ideologies of 'woman'. I expect he is not aware of what he's doing to be honest and is just so stuck in his own world that he can't stop to care what he's doing to others. Whilst he refuses to accept that 'boy mode' is actually the 'honour', societally speaking, he is denying the structural power and misogyny in our society. He is effectively advocating for the denial of the power structures inherent in society's (cos that's the level which is meaningful) concept of gender. And it's the oppressed classes (women) who pay the price for that.

Girl Fees and Boy Fees
www.theguardian.com/football/video/2021/mar/25/ive-been-devalued-megan-rapinoe-meets-jill-and-joe-biden-on-equal-pay-day-video

And yes I know that Megan is pro trans (until it excludes friends of hers from women's teams I suspect)
but boy fees in football
versus girl fees
show how naff and crass Eddie is wanting to have his cake and eat it too

@foxhat

Yes *@ListeningQuietly*

That's what being in 'girl mode' is for most of females (I can't call grown-ups girls as that's one way our opinions are ignored).

The level of violence perpetuated to women is huge when people like EI deliberately try and obfuscate the actual societal ideologies of 'woman'. I expect he is not aware of what he's doing to be honest and is just so stuck in his own world that he can't stop to care what he's doing to others. Whilst he refuses to accept that 'boy mode' is actually the 'honour', societally speaking, he is denying the structural power and misogyny in our society. He is effectively advocating for the denial of the power structures inherent in society's (cos that's the level which is meaningful) concept of gender. And it's the oppressed classes (women) who pay the price for that.

Absolutely this. Great post.

Meghan Markle is fair game but Eddie apparently isn’t. Interesting.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/comedy/what-to-see/eddie-izzard-call-brain-coded-ways/amp/

Izzard talks about switching between boy-mode and girl-mode: “I’m gender fluid. Your brain gets coded male or female when you’re young. Mine got coded both ways. I have the gift of both, although it doesn’t feel like a gift at first.”

"I do feel female."

🙄

No Eddie, you don't feel female. You've no idea and will never have any idea what it feels like to feel female.

I'm pleased he said this though:
I don’t think JK Rowling is transphobic. I think we need to look at the things she has written about in her blog. Women have been through such hell over history

He does separate himself from women in how he talks and asserts himself as transgender. So that's good. Still think its hugely entitled to feel able to "switch" and demand recognition in boy/girl mode though. I don't think women would be afforded that possibility

No Eddie, you don't feel female. You've no idea and will never have any idea what it feels like to feel female.

I'm female and don't know what it feels like to 'feel female'. I expect that every woman and every man actually feels quite unique. What even is 'feeling female'?

Eddie has political ambitions

Here is Baroness Thornton, Labour peer, bringing the Equality Act to the Lords, in Hansard, explaining who the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (clause 7) was designed to protect

"The point I was making is that that is the range of things that could happen for a transsexual person

However, Clause 7 does not cover transvestites or others who choose temporarily to adopt the appearance of the opposite gender.

While we do not condone anyone being treated badly because of the way in which they present themselves, it would not be appropriate to provide people who present themselves temporarily as of a gender other than their birth gender with the same protection against discrimination that is available to a person with gender dysphoria, who is somebody who has been assigned one gender at birth, but believes that they are of another gender. That is the point—it is what happens to that person that the Bill attempts to address."

View the Hansard contribution by Baroness Thornton on Monday 11 January 2010

Hmmm. Yes. This.

All the way.

The Protected Characteristic of Gender Reassignment is there to protect the likes of Adult Human male and female Transsexuals with gender dysphoria - who also fully comprehend the Protected Characteristic of Sex.

It is to, and for, their benefit.

Male transsexuals must not suffer discrimination because they are transwomen - in relation to their male peers.

Female transsexuals must not suffer discrimination because they are transmen in relation to their female peers.

It is not there for any Johnny or Jackie come lately TRA/MRA/Incel bandwagoner.

Equality Act 2010.

For certain types of Northern American interlopers who like to gob off on these here boards.

@NiceGerbil

Yes re Germany.

'"I've been out and open about it since 1985, it's a long time... And if we go back to the 1930s, if I've been in Nazi Germany, I would have been murdered for saying that I was trans.'

So utterly crass.

In Nazi Germany EI would have been fine in boy mode. (Assuming he's not Jewish etc but it was trans EI specifically mentioned).

So utterly out of order.

And never challenged either.

I think there are many of us who would be punished/imprisoned/afraid/killed in other places right now. Single, sexually active, home-owning, voting, pro-choice leaning, unmarried mother here. I'm quite aware that there are places in the world where I couldn't have made these choices I have, legally or morally, based on my sex. I don't need to think about atrocities of eighty years past and imagine myself there I can just look at the news instead.

Yes Stray.

Good point, well made.

I'm quite aware that there are places in the world where I couldn't have made these choices I have, legally or morally, based on my sex. I don't need to think about atrocities of eighty years past and imagine myself there I can just look at the news instead.

Yep. I think this is a really good point.

Practically every day the BBC has some news story where a woman in the UK has been attacked or abused or murdered by a man. I wonder what effect EI thinks that has on women's mental health. Drip, drip, drip, proof of their domination. All the time. Forever. Stretching back through the ages.

Imagine what the world would be like if men would stop their constant victimising of women and just let us peacefully live our lives as we choose. It would be a very different place.

Frankly I'm bored already with Eddie and I suspect the electorate soon will be too. But then I watch the threads disappear and I come on here and see all the deletions and I wonder why the discussion seems to make some people so uncomfortable. And so here I am.

The thing is there's a difference between being female and liking feminine things and liking to present in a feminine way.

More than once I have wished to have a magic wand so those XY humans who say they ARE a woman / female could suffer from periods, perimenopause, menopause, menarche, and the myriad of other physical issues very common for XX humans. I suspect that given a couple of hours of such experience they'd quickly appreciate the gulf of difference between being female and feeling feminine.

And that's without even considering the impact of differences in social attitudes.

Obviously I think it would be lovely if feminine men were allowed to express themselves as they wished. Doesn't make them female though.