Jolene, and other anti-feminist anthems

[StealthPolarBear]

Just to say this is a light-hearted chat thread.
I love jolene, sing it with a minor adaptation every time I'm cleaning the windows. I have no idea about the background, but it must come near the top of the least feminist songs ever!
Another which I've just heard is sheryl crow, strong enough. "lie to me, I promise I'll believe, lie to me, but please don't leave"
Brilliant song, awful lyrics :)
Any others?

Loretta Lynn: Still Woman Enough review – strident and timeless at 88. www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/11/loretta-lynn-still-woman-enough-review

You say you're gonna take him
Oh, but I don't think you can
'Cause you ain't woman enough
To take my man

Women like you, they're a dime a dozen
You can buy 'em anywhere
For you to get to him
I'd have to move over
And I'm gonna stand right here.

Which is the sort of antithesis of 'Jolene' (which I also like).

John Mayer - 'Daughters'

The daughter - lover - mother trajectory for women is all too depressingly familiar. We are somebody's daughter or sister or wife or mother, not individual people valued in our own right.

Apologies, clearly put my foot in it there didn't I. I'm sure I read it somewhere, or it could very well have been about a different song.

NewYearNewTwatName - YY to that. But the younger teenage audience at the time was probably not as hip to the context as Soft Cell may have believed they were.

Dolly wrote Joanne and I will always love you on the same day , apparently. Some woman for one woman!

Eric Clapton - Wonderful Tonight.

Manchild with substance abuse issues taking a woman for granted.

Haven't read through the whole thread, but Marvin Gaye, sexual healing leaves me so cold.
Dp and I always argue over this. To me it's all about the man getting what we wants. Doesn't matter what the woman (who I see as bloody knackered) wants!
Might be an unpopular opinion, I'll be surprised if anyone else has mentioned this..
I cant actually listen to it!

Off to read the whole thread now!

I can't listen to it either @UltimateBlends

My dawg comment was meant to be mildly taking the piss out of the one I responded to but evidently failed massively.

@mathanxiety

John Mayer - 'Daughters'

The daughter - lover - mother trajectory for women is all too depressingly familiar. We are somebody's daughter or sister or wife or mother, not individual people valued in our own right.

I detest that song.

I don't think we can assume he's the best she can hope for. He's the only man she'll ever love, is what she says.

I think the references to Jolene's stunning beauty and that she can have her choice of men implies that the singer doesn't.

@Juicyoranges

I can't listen to it either *@UltimateBlends*

I'm so glad someone has said this! It's an ongoing argument with me and DP, we both love music, but I just think everything about it is wrong.. ive got about half way through the thread and I've not seen it mentioned so far:

Get up, get up, get up, get up
Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up

Ooh baby, now let's get down tonight

[Verse 1]
Baby I'm hot just like an oven
I need some lovin'
And baby, I can't hold it much longer
It's getting stronger and stronger

[Chorus]
And when I get that feeling
I want sexual healing
Sexual healing, oh baby
Makes me feel so fine
Helps to relieve my mind
Sexual healing baby, is good for me
Sexual healing is something that's good for me

[Verse 2]
Whenever blue tear drops are falling
And my emotional stability is leaving me
There is something I can do
I can get on the telephone and call you up baby, and
Honey I know you'll be there to relieve me
The love you give to me will free me
If you don't know the thing you're dealing
Oh I can tell you, darling, that it's sexual healing

(Get up, Get up, Get up, Get up)
Let's make love tonight
(Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up)
'Cause you do it right

[Bridge]
Baby I got sick this morning
A sea was storming inside of me
Baby I think I'm capsizing
The waves are rising and rising

[Chorus]
And when I get that feeling
I want sexual healing
Sexual healing is good for me
Makes me feel so fine, it's such a rush
Helps to relieve the mind, and it's good for us
Sexual healing, baby, it's good for me
Sexual healing is something that's good for me
And it's good for me and it's so good to me
My baby
Ohhh

[Verse 3]
Come take control, just grab a hold
Of my body and mind soon we'll be making it
Honey, oh we're feeling fine
You're my medicine open up and let me in
Darling, you're so great
I can't wait for you to operate

(Get up, Get up, Get up, Get up)
Let's make love tonight
(Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up)
'Cause you do it right

(Heal me my darling)
I can't wait for you to operate

[Chorus]
When I get this feeling
I need sexual healing
Oh when I get this feeling
I need sexual healing
I gotta have sexual healing, darling
'Cause I'm all alone
Sexual healing, darling
'Till you come back home

Please don't procrastinate
It's not good to masturbate

I mean, if you're not sold about this song being "WRONG" the last sentence alone should make it so.

Just because it's a "classic" and sung "beautifully doesn't make it any better. It's horrendous to me.

This by No Doubt, shines a spotlight on what woman are expected to be. Gwen Stefani sings it with such venom it's wonderful.

I'm Just A Girl - No Doubt

Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand
'Cause I'm just a girl, oh, little old me
Well, don't let me out of your sight
Oh, I'm just a girl, all pretty and petite
So don't let me have any rights
Oh, I've had it up to here
The moment that I step outside
So many reasons for me to run and hide
I can't do the little things I hold so dear
'Cause it's all those little things that I fear
'Cause I'm just a girl, I'd rather not be
'Cause they won't let me drive late at night
Oh, I'm just a girl, guess I'm some kind of freak
'Cause they all sit and stare with their eyes
Oh, I'm just a girl, take a good look at me
Just your typical prototype
Oh, I've had it up to here
Oh, am I making myself clear?
I'm just a girl
I'm just a girl in the world
That's all that you'll let me be
Oh, I'm just a girl, living in captivity
Your rule of thumb makes me worrisome
Oh, I'm just a girl, what's my destiny?
What I've succumbed to is making me numb
Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison
Oh, I've had it up to
Oh, I've had it up to
Oh, I've had it up to here

@WhispersOfWickedness It is a good song but very sexist.

Ha, totally agree on Sexual Healing. Let’s get it on is way better, as a song and for that wonderful IF in ‘If you feel like I feel...’

I just want to get back up off the floor to wipe my eyes and thank @DodoApplet for the link to Bardcore.

@mathanxiety

I just want to get back up off the floor to wipe my eyes and thank *@DodoApplet* for the link to Bardcore.

You're welcome!

@napody

Ha, totally agree on Sexual Healing. Let’s get it on is way better, as a song and for that wonderful IF in ‘If you feel like I feel...’

I'm so pleased to read the agreement on this!! Might even be settling another future argument about this song!

Haven't RTFT but has anyone mentioned Gentle on my mind (Glen Campbell) yet?

Love that song but hate the message! If you are quiet and don't complain I might come back!

Mind you she could be having a ball in his absence.....

I love gram parsons. But there are many, many unfeminist lyrics to howl along to.

I think he's meant to be singing in the persona of a country singer though, so we can enjoy the songs cos he's singing them ironically.

Sexual Healing was clearly written by someone who didn't understand a good maintenance wank.

Catchy tune, but WTAF?!?!

I want a girl with a mind like a diamond
I want a girl who knows what's best
I want a girl with shoes that cut
And eyes that burn like cigarettes
I want a girl with the right allocations
Who's fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
She's playing with her jewelry
She's putting up her hair
She's touring the facilities
And picking up slack
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket.
I want a girl who gets up early
I want a girl who stays up late
I want a girl with uninterrupted prosperity
Who uses a machete, to cut through red tape
With fingernails that shine like justice
And a voice that is dark like tinted glass
She is fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
She's touring the facilities and picking up slack
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long, long jacket
I want a girl with a smooth liquidation
I want a girl with good dividends
At City Bank we will meet accidentally
We'll start to talk when she borrows my pen
She wants a car with a cup holder armrest
She wants a car that will get her there
She's changing her name
From Kitty to Karen
She's trading her MG for a white Chrysler LeBaron
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket

Delilah by Tom Jones

@ItsLateHumpty - I can forgive Blondie virtually anything as well. (Might have had a one-woman karaoke in the car yesterday. Cannot confirm or deny.)

@justilou1

Catchy tune, but WTAF?!?!

I want a girl with a mind like a diamond
I want a girl who knows what's best
I want a girl with shoes that cut
And eyes that burn like cigarettes
I want a girl with the right allocations
Who's fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
She's playing with her jewelry
She's putting up her hair
She's touring the facilities
And picking up slack
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket.
I want a girl who gets up early
I want a girl who stays up late
I want a girl with uninterrupted prosperity
Who uses a machete, to cut through red tape
With fingernails that shine like justice
And a voice that is dark like tinted glass
She is fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack
She's touring the facilities and picking up slack
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long, long jacket
I want a girl with a smooth liquidation
I want a girl with good dividends
At City Bank we will meet accidentally
We'll start to talk when she borrows my pen
She wants a car with a cup holder armrest
She wants a car that will get her there
She's changing her name
From Kitty to Karen
She's trading her MG for a white Chrysler LeBaron
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket

God I love that song