This never happens - man jailed for rape and attempted rape in women’s toilets

[IDanielRadcliffe]

news.sky.com/story/former-bristol-city-footballer-who-targeted-women-in-nightclubs-jailed-for-rape-offences-12248824

“He has on two separate occasions subjected women to violent acts in what should be a safe and private space.”

@Doyoumind

They will just say this shows that if a man wants to attack a woman he can and he doesn't need to identify as a woman to do so.

Glad he's been caught and sentenced though.

All it proves is toilets are not safe spaces. They do not have any security at the door. They are just toilets.

@Shizuku

Your wishes require trans women to pretend they don't think they're women. That sounds as stupid to them as it would if someone said it to you.

They’re not women. I am. I don’t think it matters how it sounds, the only thing that matters is what is.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's strange that none of these rapists have been pretending to be FTM before really, isn't it?

Trans men use the men's toilet don't they. So pretending to be a trans man would entail going to the men's toilet, yes?

Unless you enact a law where everyone has to use the toilet that matches their birth certificate, in which case trans men use the women's toilet and you normalise it for people with beards and broken voices to be in there.

@Shizuku

So you would be fine with able bodied people using disabled toilets? Because there’s nobody to police them?

I always considered it a matter of personal decency, but there you go...

[quote Wondermule]@Shizuku

Your wishes require trans women to pretend they don't think they're women. That sounds as stupid to them as it would if someone said it to you.

They’re not women. I am. I don’t think it matters how it sounds, the only thing that matters is what is.[/quote]
They are women. I don't think it matters how that sounds to you - the only thing that matters is what is.

[quote Wondermule]@Shizuku

So you would be fine with able bodied people using disabled toilets? Because there’s nobody to police them?

I always considered it a matter of personal decency, but there you go...[/quote]
I'm fine with women using the women's toilets, and as trans women are women...

@Shizuku

What is your definition of woman?

Incidentally, what should be done to protect women from women who aren't trans in women's toilets:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537637/Horrific-injuries-woman-attacked-woman-toilet-cubicle-wrongly-thinking-shed-affair-ex-boyfriend.html

We know it's a man and not a trans woman, or this thread and its source would not be allowed to use the word 'man', surely?

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

It's strange how stupid women are always assumed to be, really. I have never known a woman who was unable to tell a male person from a female person, even in poor light and at a distance, yet women are expected constantly to be deceived by men about what the man's sex is, at close quarters.

How do you know you can always tell when someone is trans, given that if you couldn't tell, you wouldn't know that you couldn't tell.

@outedbyfaircop

What toilet should trans men and butch women use? Why is it easier for cis men to pretend to be trans women than trans men?

They should use the facilities that are designed for their sex.

You'll know a transman is female when they try to straddle the urinals.

[quote Shizuku]Incidentally, what should be done to protect women from women who aren't trans in women's toilets:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537637/Horrific-injuries-woman-attacked-woman-toilet-cubicle-wrongly-thinking-shed-affair-ex-boyfriend.html[/quote]
Even the attendants aren't safe.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3207822.stm

How do you know you can always tell when someone is trans, given that if you couldn't tell, you wouldn't know that you couldn't tell.

"You can never tell" myth no. 101 in gender ideology.

Women attack women in women's spaces therefore let's just let everyone into women's spaces

Myth no. 99 in gender ideology.

@Shizuku that’s like saying because kids attack kids in the playground, we should let in any old adult as well.

@GNCQ

Women attack women in women's spaces therefore let's just let everyone into women's spaces

Myth no. 99 in gender ideology.

Myth no. 100:

Men attack women in women's toilets so we should punish all trans women.

@GNCQ

How do you know you can always tell when someone is trans, given that if you couldn't tell, you wouldn't know that you couldn't tell.

"You can never tell" myth no. 101 in gender ideology.

Myth no. 102: "You can always tell."

You can tell more than you can't tell, though.

@Shizuku

We need to go riiiiight back to the beginning.

Q: Can a biological male be a biological female?
A: No

Until you can get that point off the ground somehow, everything else you say is irrelevant.

So to sum up this logic.

Men attack women in women's toilets.
Women attack women in women's toilets.
Solution : Ban trans women.

Men attack women in women's toilets so we should punish all trans women.

Males aren't being "punished" when they can't access a space where female people need privacy and dignity.

We need to go riiiiight back to the beginning.

Q: Can a biological male be a biological female?
A: No

Until you can get that point off the ground somehow, everything else you say is irrelevant.

Indeed.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You can tell more than you can't tell, though.

How would you know given that you wouldn't have a way of knowing how often you don't know?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Men attack women in women's toilets so we should punish all trans women.

Males aren't being "punished" when they can't access a space where female people need privacy and dignity.

But trans women are.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

We need to go riiiiight back to the beginning.

Q: Can a biological male be a biological female?
A: No

Until you can get that point off the ground somehow, everything else you say is irrelevant.

Indeed.

Sounds like you haven't progressed beyond the old "sex is a simple binary trope". You need to read more science.