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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Reclaim These Streets have been captured.

231 replies

stumbledin · 16/03/2021 17:55

It was inevitable of course. Whatever the original intentions of the local women who set up the facebook event page, given the huge response they have had, it was just to tempting for those who always want to be in control not to take over.

So now there is a Reclaim These Streets facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/282187170119807/ which of course loads of women have joined. And although it is meant to be about sharing your experiences, your ideas, your whatever, turns out the group admins will not let your voice be heard if you dont express yourself in an approved way.

No need to detail what that is, but once again the vanguard of well schooled stonewall students are definitely in charge.

And of course this also applies to the now in excess of half a million pounds raisde for women's projects. It has been decreed - by knee jerk tweet that only trans inclusive groups will get women.

Tough luck on those providing women only services as legally allowed under the EA. So rape crisis helplines, women refuges, many BME groups will be deemed not worthy of financial support.

How come there are never enough mumsnetters out and about on facebook or wherever to capture groups? Sad

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stumbledin · 26/03/2021 23:52

SunsetBeetch - will have a think about this and see if there is any other feedback.

But think it should be clear it is FWR Reclaim These Streets

And maybe I it would be over complicate to try and separate off expereinces from suggests for solutions.

If it gets under way and becomes very busy easy enough to set up sub threads.

Look out for Reclaim These Streets - The Uncensored Version!

Anyone who just wants to go ahead please do.

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Thecatonthemat · 26/03/2021 23:59

Angelo Is anything useful or interesting being planned. How on earth so you manage to keep mouth shut with all the provocation? Still let us know from time to time if you have cracked yet!

Jillly · 27/03/2021 00:12

Im still there.
Ive not really commented much, mostly likes.
I'm thinking to become a mole when I'm the only one with any sense thats not booted or blocked.

stumbledin · 27/03/2021 00:50

Its possible to visit the page and read what has been allowed to be published and like comments without joining the group.

The censors have been so effective it looks like only 1 or 2 new posts all day!

They dont plan events they are all about lobbying. I think the 1,000+ who have joined must feel everything is just evaporating away.

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stumbledin · 27/03/2021 00:56

Reclaim These Streets: Statement Of Purpose & Call For Policy Action work in progress document.

#ReclaimTheseStreets was founded in the wake of Sarah Everard’s murder, to back action to make our streets, our homes, our workplaces, and our country a safer place for all women.

Ms Everard’s killing again highlighted the scale of violence and harassment against women, which exist both in the UK and globally. A recent study by United Nations Women UK, revealed 97% of women aged 18 – 24 have experienced sexual harassment, and 80% of women overall.

Increased policing and, infuriatingly, self-imposed restrictions on women’s freedoms are often presented as the only viable solutions to ending violence and harassment. This is not the case. Moreover, such solutions fail to tackle the material and social roots of the problem.

We support lawmakers who recognise more far-reaching action is necessary.

We support Zarah Sultana MP’s letter last week to the Prime Minister (co-signed by more than fifty other MPs and Lords). Because of this, we are standing with her and other MPs, to call on the Government to:

Ratify the Istanbul Convention on preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence.

Ratify the International Labour Organisation’s Convention No. 190, recognising the right of everyone to a world of work free from gender-based violence and harassment.

Reimagine sex and relationship education in schools, colleges, and universities to incorporate concrete guidance on healthy relationships, consent and sexuality.

Introduce mandatory training in schools and workplaces, such as bystander-intervention training.

Strengthen financial support for women and girls to address poverty and economic insecurity, including tackling the gender pay gap, increasing the national minimum wage to the real living wage.

Introduce reporting tools in schools and workplaces to map where incidents of sexual harassment and violence are occurring.

Reverse the last decade’s cuts to women’s services, including women’s refuges and specialist services for Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) women.

Actively fund victim-centred services, including domestic violence charities.

Invest in treatments for survivors of domestic and sexual violence, including long-term mental health support.

We also agree with and support Harriet Harman MP’s proposal to amend the law to:

Prevent rape complainants from being examined on their sexual history in court. This change is a step which could encourage more victims of rape to come forward.

Make predatory car-to-kerb harassment of women and schoolgirls illegal.

We agree with Jess Philips MP, that the Police, Crime, Courts and Sentencing Bill, currently in Parliament, does not do enough to improve how violence against women is treated and handled by our justice system. We are supporting Ms Philips call for the government to:

Listen, act and work cross party, to bring about the vital changes the bill needs to better protect women including strategies to tackle street harassment; improve how courts deal with cases of sexual violence and minimum sentences for rape.

We also support the government’s move last week to ask the police to record crimes of violence motivated by a person’s sex or gender on an experimental basis; and join Stella Creasy MP in calling on the government to:

Legally class violence and harassment motivated by a person’s sex or gender as a hate crime.

What members of the group can do right now to help:

Write to your MP (details of how to do this can be found here. This linked post includes an email template you can adapt as well as instructions on how to look up who your MP and find contact details).

Sign one of the parliamentary petitions Reclaim These Streets is supporting. The list can be found here.

Share this post and talk to your friends, family, and co-workers about the twelve actions we are supporting.

(Well they did ask for it to be shared, so I am sure they dont mind it being posted to mumsnet!)

No mention of women organising together

No mention of the problem actually being men's violence against women.

No concept of women as autonomous human beings but merely as passive supplicants who if they ask nicely might get some crumbs thrown their way

If this was how the Women's Liberation Movement started there would be no Rape Crisis Centres, no Women's Aid and so on.

They make the WEP look radical.

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 27/03/2021 09:11

No mention of the problem actually being men's violence against women.

That really is a glaring omission isn't it.

ThisIsSimplyBeyond · 27/03/2021 09:38

I'm still in it, I fly below the radar :)

Thecatonthemat · 27/03/2021 10:13

Yes, the lack of a mention even of the people that are actually doing the violence abuse and harassment is really staring us in the face. There is lot that I’m sure many of us would agree with but yes, it is kind of waiting for others to do it. The initial impetus two weeks ago was really powerful because it was women together. This seems to have been lost, particularly when some of us are silenced.

RachelRoth · 27/03/2021 10:46

I liked a post last night highlighting places for abused women to seek help. The one that didn't centre men. Ive liked comments i agree with. Ive sent love emoji to comments where women deserve support. Ive signed the petitions. Ive not added any comments at all that have been at all controversial to any post. Im now blocked.

Feelinghothothottoday · 27/03/2021 10:48

The problem is they can’t say men. As soon as they say male violence the question is asked who do you define as a man and then it all kicks off again and the admins have to close the debate down.

Feelinghothothottoday · 27/03/2021 10:50

@RachelRoth

I liked a post last night highlighting places for abused women to seek help. The one that didn't centre men. Ive liked comments i agree with. Ive sent love emoji to comments where women deserve support. Ive signed the petitions. Ive not added any comments at all that have been at all controversial to any post. Im now blocked.
That’s exactly what happened to me. Unless you actual say or like posts TWAW then you are deleted. I never commented. I supported women and liked posts.
Feelinghothothottoday · 27/03/2021 10:52

And being blocked means you can’t even see the page it is that extreme. Very odd normally you get told off warned and three strikes then out.

AngeloMysterioso · 27/03/2021 11:09

This is why I literally haven’t commented or responded to anything. I’m only there to sort of keep an eye on what they’re doing so I can report back to Radfem Reclaim and Mumsnet

stumbledin · 27/03/2021 16:03

Yes I'd forgotten that once blocked you cant even see the page, which I found when I got blocked.

I have access to facebook from a volunteer account I can sign in with, so have been following.

I sort of knew one comment I posted would get me blocked, at least on mumsnet you get a deletion, so all the positive info I had tried to add in the beginning just went as well. A sort of scorched earth approach.

But how people who have only ever liked posts and never commented can be blocked seems way beyond rational.

No wonder they say they are so busy as admins when it seems there are only 2 new posts a day. They must be weedy out the upfront GC commentators, but carefully comprising lists of any who liked a post by someone blocked. It must take them hours. Maybe they went to Stasi training school!

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ArcheryAnnie · 27/03/2021 19:36

Two women have been attacked at a Reclaim These Streets thing in Portsmouth. I watched a video where all I could hear was a very deep voice yelling "TERF TERF FUCK OFF TERF", and not the woman speaking. I wish I could say I was surprised, but...

SunsetBeetch · 27/03/2021 19:44

@ArcheryAnnie

Two women have been attacked at a Reclaim These Streets thing in Portsmouth. I watched a video where all I could hear was a very deep voice yelling "TERF TERF FUCK OFF TERF", and not the woman speaking. I wish I could say I was surprised, but...
Horrible but no, not surprising.
ValancyRedfern · 27/03/2021 21:44

I've just seen the footage. Really chilling, but not at all surprising. These young women genuinely believe it is evil and wrong to define a woman as an adult human female.

SunsetBeetch · 27/03/2021 22:00

Can somebody link to the footage, please?

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 27/03/2021 22:06

From Twitter: twitter.com/filia_charity/status/1375836633157750788?s=21

ArcheryAnnie · 27/03/2021 22:09

There's also an account of them being pushed and shoved, their stuff nicked from them and put in a bin, and men threatening them with more violence because they "aren't women, but TERFs".

And silence from Reclaim These Streets.

Because some violence against women is not only OK, it's to be encouraged, presumably.

Foolingaround · 27/03/2021 22:20

Anyone seen the CC Northampton tweets today? Really shocking.

SunsetBeetch · 27/03/2021 22:28

[quote Foolingaround]twitter.com/northantschief/status/1375825631049613320?s=21[/quote]
Astounding. Has he handed over his account to his 11 year old son?

SunsetBeetch · 27/03/2021 22:29

@ArcheryAnnie

There's also an account of them being pushed and shoved, their stuff nicked from them and put in a bin, and men threatening them with more violence because they "aren't women, but TERFs".

And silence from Reclaim These Streets.

Because some violence against women is not only OK, it's to be encouraged, presumably.

Wow. What a shower of shite.
Foolingaround · 27/03/2021 23:34

@SunsetBeetch he seems to constantly get away with bullying women.

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