Reclaim These Streets have been captured.

[stumbledin]

It was inevitable of course. Whatever the original intentions of the local women who set up the facebook event page, given the huge response they have had, it was just to tempting for those who always want to be in control not to take over.

So now there is a Reclaim These Streets facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/282187170119807/ which of course loads of women have joined. And although it is meant to be about sharing your experiences, your ideas, your whatever, turns out the group admins will not let your voice be heard if you dont express yourself in an approved way.

No need to detail what that is, but once again the vanguard of well schooled stonewall students are definitely in charge.

And of course this also applies to the now in excess of half a million pounds raisde for women's projects. It has been decreed - by knee jerk tweet that only trans inclusive groups will get women.

Tough luck on those providing women only services as legally allowed under the EA. So rape crisis helplines, women refuges, many BME groups will be deemed not worthy of financial support.

How come there are never enough mumsnetters out and about on facebook or wherever to capture groups?

Really weird.

Awwww, I was really looking forward to a constructive discussion with lots of well- thought-out and well-articulated points backed up with evidence as well. I am disappoint.

@SunsetBeetch

Awwww, I was really looking forward to a constructive discussion with lots of well- thought-out and well-articulated points backed up with evidence as well. I am disappoint.

literally pmsl 😂

It’s all kicked off on there again. I see very little action just arguments. One persons puts a post up and then they are either told -
(1)It’s transphobic;
(2)It’s posted by a transphobic;
(3)The person who wrote the article is transphobic.

I do feel the organisers are getting frustrated by the arguments. As they say they set it up for actions, not just discussions.

An example is that they put up a post of 8 petitions and only a few have signed. But even that was a bit foolish, Each one individually with a bit of background why it should be supported makes more sense.

We all know what happens if you just sign up to things without properly considering the consequences.

It is a shame as it has huge potential.

hopefully the more that trans doctrine takes over, women will come to see that it doesnt have their interests at heart - that they came to the group for women's issues, because of the death of a woman, and the many deaths and sexual harrassments of nearly all women, and gradually the fog will lift and they will see the capture

Wasn’t there a transwomen who killed or raped someone because of the stress (?) of being trans? I’m wondering what would happen if Sarah’s killer decided to go down that route, would she not have died by male violence against women then? Would this whole thing RTS is built on (Sarah, not VAWG) be null and void? “As you were ladies, nothing to see here”

Oh well I’ve been blocked. Just as well really the arguing was taking up too much of my time. As I’ve said all along. The idea is great and if it helps women feel safer then great.

Wasn’t there a transwomen who killed or raped someone because of the stress (?) of being trans?

There has been more than one case of violence where that has been advanced as a partial defence by the defending barrister.

"An example is that they put up a post of 8 petitions and only a few have signed"

I only sign a petition if I think it is going to succeed. Largely, petitions are pointless and solve fuck all. Slacktivism and virtue signalling at its finest

Is this the right Facebook group? Because this seems to be quite a balanced approach.

www.facebook.com/groups/282187170119807/permalink/291701325835058/

Yep, the rules are balanced - certain posters there are less so!

Is this the right Facebook group? Because this seems to be quite a balanced approach.

Its not balanced as trans rights are always allowed to take precedence. This means that no GC views can be expressed.

And the admins, who after all only represent themselves, may think petitions are important but most people dont.

They really need to work about are they facebook admins, which apart from outright racism, etc., means you dont editorialise, or are they the leaders of a form of political activism.

If it is the latter they need to spell out why they think petitions are a priority, and conflating Kill the Bill with making streets safe for women from individual men.

In the meantime they have a responsibility to realise a lot of women thought it was somewhere safe to come and discuss experiences of violence against them by men.

The only good thing, apart from London which seems to have been amazingly docile and accepting direction, is that over 50 RTS groups have started up around the country - including one called Radfem Reclaim!

I am sure some of the smaller groups will have the same problems but in trying to be upbeat if it puts women in touch with each other locally, and not wanting to speak to soon, but if lock down is going to gradually ease an opportunity for local women to meet up. ie time on facebook to find out how much you ave in commone before risking meeting face to face!

Ooh I like the sound of Radfem Reclaim.

The drawing at the end of this video is excellent. Also Mr Menno says that these groups "would rather support a man claiming womanhood than a woman defending womanhood" which is spot on.

They stifle debate too. I haven’t said anything transphobic on there yet I questioned one thing today and now I’m blocked from that page. Their loss. I was quite willing to sign petitions and do some legwork for them. Meant to be inclusive yet infact is exclusive.

Love Mr Menno,
'What is wrong with these people??'
My daily mantra atm.

I briefly braved the Facebook group then backed out swiftly. People agreeing with posts until the poster is discovered to have 'terf' sympathies. People being blocked for being 'terfy', despite the fact their own rules say not to use terf. Fun times.

@ValancyRedfern

I briefly braved the Facebook group then backed out swiftly. People agreeing with posts until the poster is discovered to have 'terf' sympathies. People being blocked for being 'terfy', despite the fact their own rules say not to use terf. Fun times.

Same, really disappointed.

Anyone from here still on the FB page or have we just been too outspoken? Guerrilla action is the only solution !

I was wondering if we should have a Reclaim These Streets group / thread on here.

And not saying there should be rules, but do you think the priority would be to share experiences, and then after that discuss possible solutions.

Seeing this as focusing on streets / public places rather than the total life experience for women of male violence, not only in public spaces, but at home, at work.

@Thecatonthemat

Anyone from here still on the FB page or have we just been too outspoken? Guerrilla action is the only solution !

I’m still in, but only because I’ve managed to keep my gob shut so far! I daren’t comment, I’d be banned immediately.

@stumbledin

I was wondering if we should have a Reclaim These Streets group / thread on here.

And not saying there should be rules, but do you think the priority would be to share experiences, and then after that discuss possible solutions.

Seeing this as focusing on streets / public places rather than the total life experience for women of male violence, not only in public spaces, but at home, at work.

I think that's a great idea.

the ‘passive aggressive’ laughing emoji is now enough to get people banned. Shocking behaviour.