Emma Bateman, Co Chair of Green Party Women suspended for Querying Whether Transwomen are Female

[gardenbird48]

Emma Bateman
@EmmaBatemanGPW
On March 8th, International Women's Day, I was suspended from the Green Party following a complaint by 2 fellow GPW committee members

Because I queried whether trans women are female.
Green Party policy is that 'trans women are women'

Now we must agree that they are also female

I thought Emma had gone a bit quiet since the weekend where they voted down a motion to support sex based rights.

It turns out that Emma might have been forced to accept the language re. transwomen are women but queried whether they are actually female. They objected to that as well obviously.

I guess it was only a matter of time as Kathryn Bristow's stated focus from the start was to take down Emma (rather than actually do any for women).

but surely they can’t think this person is fit for public office?

This person has been selected as a councillor candidate in a ward of Bristol so apparently the Green party do think they are for for office.

I wonder who the election agent is?

Lib Dem policy would appear similar:

www.libdemvoice.org/liberal-democrats-adopt-definition-of-transphobia-65868.html

"Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth."

Not just their "biology at birth" but their ongoing biology I believe.

They also don't like you suggesting that gender dysphoria is a form of mental illness.

Biology at birth? So I can actually become a reptile then? Coooooool 🦎

I'm happy to go along with TWAW in law and society, that's fine, I don't care how people dress or what body modifications they do in order to make themselves feel happy.

The problem is, I used to feel like that. But with every push of our boundaries, every attempt to redefine us and take our spaces, I'm less and less happy. Which isn't fair to the vast majority of perfectly nice, reasonable trans people.

I do wonder if this will turn out to be a massive own goal for the TRAs.

If they put sex as female and gender as female then the census will just assume they are female. So no tick in the box for trans numbers..

The bit I don't get is conceding the word woman to start with

We never conceded it! We are forced to use trans-approved jargon, or else weave the ridiculous circumlocutions that go with trying to talk honestly about something that doesn't make sense. It is compelled speech.

But you are right. Being allowed to say women are female while agreeing that men can be women was never going to be a long-term solution. Just a concession to shut us up till we got used to the new rules, and then be removed.

Biology at birth? So I can actually become a reptile then? Coooooool

Quite a few posters here were assigned viper at birth, Toffee.

I'm very sorry - although not surprised - to hear this. It was only a matter of time before they ousted her. I had a lovely email from her (and also Dawn Furness) when I emailed GPW to explain my reasons for leaving

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Biology at birth? So I can actually become a reptile then? Coooooool

Quite a few posters here were assigned viper at birth, Toffee.

I always wanted to be a bear. Ever since I was a little cub. I used to tell people that since I couldn’t be one (oh how silly I was) then I’d be a witch instead.

Don't they realise that lying about their sex on the census form is actually akin to shooting themselves in the foot? Don't they want sufficient services and planning for transwomen?
Still, I suppose the lies will benefit women in the long run, with more provision for maternity/ health care etc.

@HasaDigaEebowai

If they put sex as female and gender as female then the census will just assume they are female. So no tick in the box for trans numbers..

Queue subsequent complaints about inadequate provision of health and other services uniquely required by transpeople, because the authorities never knew they existed. Of course, women will end up getting the blame, we always do.

@Zinco

Lib Dem policy would appear similar:

www.libdemvoice.org/liberal-democrats-adopt-definition-of-transphobia-65868.html

"Using phrases or language to describe trans people which are designed to suggest that trans people are a separate category of person from the gender they identify as or that their gender identity is not valid. Current examples include referring to a trans woman or non-binary person as a “biological man” or a trans man or non-binary person as a “biological woman”, which eradicates the trans person’s gender identity in favour of their biology at birth."

Not just their "biology at birth" but their ongoing biology I believe.

They also don't like you suggesting that gender dysphoria is a form of mental illness.

I feel like a bit of a broken record, but coming back to the Equality Act, your biological sex is relevant. You can legitimately be excluded from services that are designed for the opposite sex, so the actual law is transphobic?

@Juliesipadwillcallyouback

Wow, so they have a male and a female as Co-chairs of Green Party Women, and now the female has been chucked out for not believing that men can become women? So the chair that is left of Green Party Women is a male? And this is the person that said 'sex based rights has been defeated'?

You could not make this shit up? What the fuck do the Greens think they are doing? How can anyone think this is OK, it's utterly bizarre!

I'm absolutely convinced this is all a bad dream and Bobby Ewing is going to walk out of the shower any minute.

Oh, by the way, a grass roots pro (real) women Lib Dem movement has started that launched this week.

liberalvoiceforwomen.org/

You can legitimately be excluded from services that are designed for the opposite sex, so the actual law is transphobic?

Everything is transphobic....

[quote WarriorN]liberalvoiceforwomen.org/[/quote]
That's a great introduction. I wonder how much influence they can have when the party is so woo woo?

@HasaDigaEebowai

If they put sex as female and gender as female then the census will just assume they are female. So no tick in the box for trans numbers..

I know right! The gender question is "Does your gender identity align with the the sex recorded at birth (or similar) and if they put female for sex and tick the identity box, they will surely look (in data terms) like trans men.

Unless the database queries are sophisticated enough to be able to extrapoloate from the freetext (which I doubt because the ONS don't seem to be able to understand a simple binary).

Maybe the JR conclusion on Thursday will clarify about all the people deliberately completing it incorrectly. You can edit responses retrospectively so there is no "i did it already" get out clause.

It is illegal and Bristow is a politician. Can we legitimately report it to the police when people boast on social media? Aren't they willfully perverting the course of justice or some such?

Lib Dem Transphobia definition includes: Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about trans people or their cisgender allies. This includes spreading the idea of a “trans conspiracy” which asserts undue influence over media or government or claiming that cisgender allies support trans rights initiatives out of fear or bribery rather than a genuine belief that trans rights are human rights.

International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition of anti-Semitism includes: Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Bloody hell...

John Finnie of the Green Party in Scotland described women like me as terrorists for standing up and speaking out about my rights. Lorna Slater of the Greens send a fairly terrible response to my email about the Hate Crimes Bill

Dear Mary,

Thank you for your email regarding the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill.

As you might be aware the Bill was scrutinised by the Parliament’s Justice Committee, of which Green MSP John Finnie MSP is a member, and it was clear during its deliberations that there were serious concerns regarding the balance between protections for those who may be victims of hate crimes and protections for freedom of speech.

These concerns meant that John met with the justice spokespeople from all the other parties to discuss these issues fully on a number of occasions, to ensure that these concerns were properly balanced, with protections for both potential victims of hate crime and for freedom of speech. The Scottish Green Party will be voting for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Bill at Stage 3, we are satisfied the correct balance has now been struck in this Bill.

Thank you again for your email.
Lorna Slater

My response to Lorna

Dear Lorna

Thank you for responding.

As John Finnie called women 'terrorists' for talking about abuse and discrimination - The Scottish Green Party will not get any of my votes in the May Elections.

Yours sincerely

Mary Gordon - Terrorist

The faint good news is that my response copied on twitter got 22, 900 impressions on twitter.

To add for clarification John Finnie called women terrorists IN THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT

It was always going to be horrific for Emma Bateman in this position and they were always going to be gunning to get her out so that a male could dominate GPW.

A lot of people involved must be at the end of their rope with pretending to go along with this offensive, misogynist bollocks. I hope they'll speak up soon.

I know Green Party members locally. Active, turn up and do real stuff for the environment. They think the party has totally lost it's way.

Given that there has been a focus on women's safety this week, I hope that Sian Berry hasn't been obscene enough to try and make political capital. She strongly opposed the Green Party conference motion to recognise the sex based rights of women. The GPW situation is just a symptom, the leadership is facilitating everything.

Bristow is a pathway advisor for GenderGP. Despite the high court ruling, the party declined to debate a motion around GenderGp at conference.