What's it really like for girls when one of their classmates is trans? A short film.

[Shizuku]

@Shizuku

"I don't think OP has understood that Scott is transgender. Apparently listening to and quoting a trans man makes Mumsnet transphobic."

A transphobic analysis is transphobic regardless of the person making it.

oh, that made me laugh so loud I woke the dog up

@Shizuku

"I don't think OP has understood that Scott is transgender. Apparently listening to and quoting a trans man makes Mumsnet transphobic."

A transphobic analysis is transphobic regardless of the person making it.

You've decided a transgender person is a transphobe?

Curious, I could well be wrong about 'tomboy'! I think I took it from this 'Atlantic' article - www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/01/tomboy/512258/ '

'. When the term “tomboy” first appeared, in the mid-16th century, it actually was a name for male children who were rude and boisterous. But by the 1590s, the word underwent a shift toward its current, feminine usage: a “wild, romping girl, [a] girl who acts like a spirited boy.”'

• never forget helen Islan taking Miranda Yardley to court for 'transphobia', Greyhound (and losing).

@Shizuku

"I don't think OP has understood that Scott is transgender. Apparently listening to and quoting a trans man makes Mumsnet transphobic."

A transphobic analysis is transphobic regardless of the person making it.

I'm sorry, you're implying transgender people are transphobic?

Op is making it up (on a very juvenile level) as they go along.

@WoolOfBat

That is so interesting for trans girls *@Shizuku* .

What about a trans boy who goes through testosterone puberty (cross sex hormones) and then regrets it?

As you say, it which will cause permanent changes to the body which (if they change their mind) will leave her visibly different to her peers?

And probably infertile?

What if they regret not going through it? Based on informal polls I have seen of trans adults, the regret rate for not going through transition younger is around 90%. The regret rate for people who did transition is between 0.3 and 3.8%.

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/%20what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people%20/

So whilst we need to do everything we can to get the regret rate to 0, we are actually doing extremely well at the moment.

I mean do you think someone could force you to believe you have a male gender identity?

Years ago, when I was a student, i volunteered for some studies in the psychology department. I was deemed to have a “male brain”.

I don’t have a gender identity as I understand it. Many of my strengths and personality traits are “male”. I’m good at maths and science, score very highly on spatial awareness, like sport, am not arty or creative in the least, don’t particularly like children, don’t wear dresses, hate any sort of “grooming”- won’t get my nails, eyebrows etc done, don’t wax or shave my body hair. I can’t multi task, and am physically strong. I hated being pregnant, and I hated breastfeeding.

The only thing that makes me female is my body parts.

So why don’t I feel the need to change my outside to match my inside? This body I have can do pretty much anything I want it to. What other people think of me I don’t really care.

@ArabellaScott

Curious, I could well be wrong about 'tomboy'! I think I took it from this 'Atlantic' article - www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/01/tomboy/512258/ '

'. When the term “tomboy” first appeared, in the mid-16th century, it actually was a name for male children who were rude and boisterous. But by the 1590s, the word underwent a shift toward its current, feminine usage: a “wild, romping girl, [a] girl who acts like a spirited boy.”'

I think you might have misread the century on part of it...

But by the 1590s, the word underwent a shift toward its current, feminine usage: a “wild, romping girl, [a] girl who acts like a spirited boy.”'

Not the 1950s!

One last comment, and I'm out. Puberty is not optional. Puberty is an essential bodily process we all have to go through. One of the organs that matures during puberty is the brain. A child on puberty blockers is deliberately being kept from maturing. How can we expect her/him to make a hugely complex decision involving loss of fertility, possible loss of sexual response, permanent damage to bones and cognitive capacity, amongst other problems? Answer: we can't. It's grossly irresponsible and fortunately the UK courts are now seeing sense in this area.

"none of them are answered."

None? Not a single one? Are you sure

Your cherry picking five words from that entire post says pretty much what your intentions are at this point.

Distraction and deflection.

No, I have not seen the safeguarding issues addressed in any depth or with any knowledge.

Also "puberty blockers" is the sort of twee obfuscatory language which permeates gender identity politics.

From GIDS:

The blocker is a physically reversible intervention: if the young person stops taking the blocker their body will continue to develop as it was previously. However, we don’t know the full psychological effects of the blocker or whether it alters the course of adolescent brain development.

They also neglect to mention that if a child then goes straight onto cross sex hormones without going through puberty it's likely that they will be infertile and if the hormone blocking treatment was started very young it's probable there will be no viable gametes for them to preserve to use later.

And a suicidal child is expected to understand this and make a decision in their best long term interests?

"I'm sorry, you're implying transgender people are transphobic?"

Are you saying that women can't be misogynistic? If so why has GC "feminist" Julie Burchill just apologised for making “racist and misogynist comments"?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/16/julie-burchill-muslim-islamophobic

Think about it.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria.

Shizuku posted this in reply to a question about gender IDENTITY. OP is asserting that gender identity is gender dysphoria. That's the opposite of what most trans people say.

Right, so gender identity only exists where there is a biological thing that causes gender dysphoria. Great education from op there, thanks mate.

@Helleofabore

"none of them are answered."

None? Not a single one? Are you sure

Your cherry picking five words from that entire post says pretty much what your intentions are at this point.

Distraction and deflection.

No, I have not seen the safeguarding issues addressed in any depth or with any knowledge.

So you were wrong - they were addressed, but not in the way you wanted them to be. I accept you apology.

Could well have done, Curious! I am often confused.

Suicidal thoughts are a contraindocation for puberty blockers.

Also the best treatment for gender dysphoria is transition is not actually been shown to be tge case. The one study to ahown this had its results reexamined and found it didn't show any improvement. We also know that transition increases suicide risk, if I remember correctly, nine fold.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

One last comment, and I'm out. Puberty is not optional. Puberty is an essential bodily process we all have to go through. One of the organs that matures during puberty is the brain. A child on puberty blockers is deliberately being kept from maturing. How can we expect her/him to make a hugely complex decision involving loss of fertility, possible loss of sexual response, permanent damage to bones and cognitive capacity, amongst other problems? Answer: we can't. It's grossly irresponsible and fortunately the UK courts are now seeing sense in this area.

Relax - trans kids go through puberty too - that's what happens when they stop the blockers.

Are you saying that women can't be misogynistic?

You can actually tell what someone is saying by reading the words they use and not immediately changing them.

She was talking about transphobia, not misogyny. Think about it.

OP, I have to say, although you say you're here to generously 'educate' us, you have failed to engage and mostly seem to be intent on flinging defensive insults, rather than actually discussing the things you raised in your first post.

@CardinalLolzy that's not the only supposedly clever sleight of hand and obfuscation.

Shizuku is posing an ever shifting, utterly illogial series of non sequiteurs... no internal logic, which is why it cannot be adequately discussed. Which Shizuku takes as some kind of triumph!

Are you aware of how you are coming across, OP? As angry, patronising and unpleasant? Or is it unconscious?

Relax - trans kids go through puberty too - that's what happens when they stop the blockers. Oh! And don't forget the outright lies!

Are you saying that women can't be misogynistic? If so why has GC "feminist" Julie Burchill just apologised for making “racist and misogynist comments"

Julie Burchill is not Julie Bindel. I'm now imagining you are a U.S based poster, who does not understand British social and political contexts. In Britain we have not signed up to identity politics in the way you have in the U.S.