What do you think of Andy Ngo?

[ThroughTheBarsOfARhyme]

This is a bit of a tenuous link to feminism, it’s probably more about free speech, but I saw that a member of Mumford & Sons was criticised for praising his book (about antifa) and that his book had previously been banned from Amazon. It seems a bit like TRA tactics and a similar response to Abigail Shrier’s book. I’ve just bought his book to read but I was interested in other’s opinions of him and/or the book. Is he speaking the truth and people are trying to suppress it (similar with feminists) or is he exaggerating and not someone to praise?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/mumford-sons-winston-marshall-taking-time-to-examine-blindspots-after-praising-andy-ngos-unmasked-book-12241592

I appreciate this really isn’t feminism so I will ask for it to be moved if people think it should be.

@jj1968. The far right have always been a threat. They have always been held at bay, here and in the US by secular liberalism (enlightenment not neo) The far left have never had a proper foothold. When the The far left get a foothold they are every bit as dangerous as far right. The current far left are eroding the center, ergo not more dangerous in and of themselves ( though Antifa probably are) but they are messing with the checks and balances and therefore are the catalyst. Queer Theory and CRT are as dangerous than any other extreme ideology and far more pervasive.

As I said, I'm happy to read all sides of everything, so if anyone has a link to antifa's explanation as to why it's OK to treat another human being like this (whatever their views), please do share.

On the face of it, this has nothing to do with feminism, but then there was this lovely Women's Day gift:

twitter.com/Margueritestern/status/1368624306117283844

(note the big red antifa flag)

Well they seem nice

Unfortunately just because he is right about left wing and woke extremism, doesn't make him overall trustworthy.

@MrGHardy

Unfortunately just because he is right about left wing and woke extremism, doesn't make him overall trustworthy.

Would you care to expand on that ? Or are you happy to leave this veiled and basically completely unhelpful comment?

I mean, shit.. sometimes, you wonder, you really do.

'Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years'
:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

[quote Lisz]I mean, shit.. sometimes, you wonder, you really do.

'Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years'
:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa[/quote]
Talking about untrustworthy sources...

Have you noticed how that article compares right-wing violence since 1994 with jihadist attacks since 2010? This gives 329 deaths to right-wing violence versus 95 deaths to jihadist violence. But if you were to use a baseline of July 2000, providing twenty years of data, you would have 160 deaths to right-wing violence to about 3,100 deaths to jihadist violence.

Moreover, this is a weird tangent on which to discredit someone, which basically runs along the lines of “some right wing people are violent and dangerous, therefore all right wing people are violent and dangerous”. It isn’t a terribly logical argument.

@LangClegsInSpace

The 'milkshake' contained quick-drying cement.

Do you believe everything the far right tell you?

@AngelaMerkelEyeRoll

I have seen a few interviews with him. The recentish one on Triggernometry was sobering. Being an Asian gay man did not protect him from antifa death threats following the attack. His life has been turned upside down.

The harassment of Ngo appears to be in the same vein as what is happening to radfems and others with inconvenient opinions. In his case it led to a beating and brain injury. I don't know how serious of a journalist he is and am not politically conservative myself. I don't want to live in a world where people lose so much for asking questions.

@Triggerpod has met him and might have more.

This is what I think. Pop stars are going to lose business if they don't have the PC view of the day.

I think people are being accused of racism quite a lot if they don't agree with a certain agenda. I am a woman of colour and feel like I have to add that info, which is sad in itself.

It's fairly irrelevant whether it did or not. He was attacked by a baying mob of thugs.

Is Andy Ngo a literal nazi though? (too late now, my order has been despatched!)

Has antifa explained why it's OK to treat a human being like that?

Are they not a bit embarrassed that the best they can come up with is 'we haven't actually killed anyone in the last 25 years' ... but uh-oh - Editor’s note: Since this piece was published in July 2020, the data has changed ...?

Do you believe everything the far right tell you?

No.

Sky news said the police had confirmed the quick drying cement. Are Sky News literal nazis as well now? I can't keep up.

Lang I can't keep up either but clearly certain views are unacceptable now. Lord knows how that will turn out.

I don't need any media, right, left or otherwise to tell me what disgusting, violent and idiotic thugs both antifa and black bloc are. Thanks to them, I know what tear gas is like, and got to expérience having a water cannon outside my building's front door.

@PotholeParadies

Hibari I don't actually know who Andy Ngo is, and I have been reading this thread with interest.

But I do have some preconceptions about what a "literal Nazi" is, and I'm finding it incredible to believe a contemporary American journalist has a membership card. So I'm a bit confused there.

Would you like to explain what you think a Nazi is, please? I think it would help discussion.

See: Proud Boys. See: Patriot Prayer. See: The way far right groups control rhetoric via provocateurs. See: Recent history in the US and incidents of far right groups, white nationalism and domestic terrorism which have lead to both a literal Nazi march in Charlottesville and a literal insurrection and a confederate flag being flown in their capitol building. See: Ngo's (favourable bias) coverage of or direct involvement in all of the above.

Quick addendum: I make no delineation between Nazis and Nazi enablers.

I have seen video evidence of a small journalist being set on by a baying mob, I can actually see that mixture setting into strands and Sky News say it was cement.

You could tell me that the video was taken on an escaped Nazi member's camcorder, it still wouldn't make that scene less terrifying.

I watched that and I was scared for him. Rooting for him to get out of there and be allowed to proceed out of shot.

@PotholeParadies

I have seen video evidence of a small journalist being set on by a baying mob, I can actually see that mixture setting into strands and Sky News say it was cement.

You could tell me that the video was taken on an escaped Nazi member's camcorder, it still wouldn't make that scene less terrifying.

I watched that and I was scared for him. Rooting for him to get out of there and be allowed to proceed out of shot.

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.

FWIW, Andy is one of the most honest people we've ever had on the show.

See: still no evidence presented

This is really important! I may have inadvertently bought a book by a literal nazi but without any evidence how can I know?

@StrangeLookingParasite

I don't need any media, right, left or otherwise to tell me what disgusting, violent and idiotic thugs both antifa and black bloc are. Thanks to them, I know what tear gas is like, and got to expérience having a water cannon outside my building's front door.

Hibari

So...

You think the word Nazi is a catch-all for any right wing organisation, or something?

Get a history book? Perhaps you're American and you have zero, but zero cultural references outside America? I'd let "neo-nazi" pass, but Nazi?

Over here (this is a UK site), Nazi means the party of Adolf Hitler. It means assembly line, industrialised murder. It means the starvation of the French civilians during the occupation, the concentration camps, the forced marches, the horrific experimentation on children, the murder of Jews, communists, gay men, Roma, disabled people. The annexation of Austria, the Danish protectorate, finding a Stolperstein by accident in a German pavement, Anne Frank applying for refuge to America (it was refused), the memorials near German universities that mark where academic protests were suppressed in the 1930s. It means Yad Vashem. It means memorials marking the spot where a Spitfire pilot crashed his plane and sacrificed his life in order to avoid hitting a school. It means all those things and more.

The Nazi party doesn't exist any more. American wannabees are not Nazis, and most of them look like their applications to join would have been refused.

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.

I don't expect it'll be worse than what I had to read about the torture masquerading as science that took place at the camps.

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.

Why don't you tell us? Why don't you provide evidence for any of the allegations or vague insinuations you are making about this man?

More importantly, why don't you explain why it's OK for antifa to treat a human being like that?

@LangClegsInSpace

See: still no evidence presented

This is really important! I may have inadvertently bought a book by a literal nazi but without any evidence how can I know?

I gave you the information you need to do your own research.

At BEST. If you're willing to give him a lot more benefit of doubt than I am. Ngo is another Milo Yiannopoulos.

You think the word Nazi is a catch-all for any right wing organisation, or something?

Just the ones with nazi tattoos, waving swastika flags and throwing out nazi salutes.
Well, a few sensible enough to hide behind respectability too.