A new definition of female, brought to you by twitter.

[PotholeParadies]

A female academic has posed this question

Please explain to me how a fully transitioned trans woman, who has breasts and a vagina, has orgasms and experiences the sex act in the same way my body does, should be forced to put male, not female, on the census, just because that is on her birth certificate.

Jane Clare Jones has already been on the case, but I thought we might also enjoy taking that apart.

Well, we have cosmetic surgeons altering noses, breasts and buttocks. In one respect, transpeople's surgeries are no different from anyone else who is dissatisfied with their appearance. Just...more extensive.

Sorry, still wincing. TBF, I feel the same about facial surgery.

@TheABC

Well, we have cosmetic surgeons altering noses, breasts and buttocks. In one respect, transpeople's surgeries are no different from anyone else who is dissatisfied with their appearance. Just...more extensive.

Sorry, still wincing. TBF, I feel the same about facial surgery.

I can't see how SRS is any different from people getting surgery to look like animals because they have a disorder and believe they are that animal or have some spiritual affinity with them.

People get all sorts of stupid stuff done to them for similar reasons. It's self mutilation, self harm. I can't see it any other way. To want to have such extensive, risky, life altering, damaging surgery for any reason is a sign of mental illness to me. Whether that's fashioning a cavity to call it a vagina or surgically inserting implants into your skull to look like a lizard.

I haven't read the thread, but my femaleness and womanhood are not defined by how I experience the sex act.

'Experiences the sex act the same way my body does' - I mean, I know we don't 'feel' it, but conception??? You might not experience it in the moment, but it has some pretty serious repercussions.

This discussion is making me grateful that I don't have to worry about my clit falling off.
I think we can all agree that someone with transgender genital surgery will experience sex differently from someone with unaltered genitals. What I want to know next is what does someone's sex life have to do with if you write male or female on the census?

Also isn't it transphobic of her to imply that women don't have penises?

@TheChampagneGalop

This discussion is making me grateful that I don't have to worry about my clit falling off. I think we can all agree that someone with transgender genital surgery will experience sex differently from someone with unaltered genitals. What I want to know next is what does someone's sex life have to do with if you write male or female on the census?

This discussion is making me grateful that I don't have to worry about my clit falling off.

Oh god! 😂 sorry but I laughed so hard at this.

Surreal.

There is a whole crowd of firmly fun-fem academics who say absolutely outlandish thimgs about sex, while accusing people of 'biological essentialism' in order to support their trans-inclusive philosophy. After Keira's case, one took to twitter to rant about how GC feminists were obsessed with having children and so on. Nothing new in that. But then she delivered what she seemed to think was a killing blow: she accused anyone raising concerns that puberty blockers would remove a child's capacity for sexual sensation as an adult as "creepy" and said no-one should be raising that as an issue.

Think through the implications there. In order to handwave away the side-effects of one treatment, she had to say the side-effect wasn't actually a problem. There is a well-known human rights abuse that is performed on approximately 800 girls a day with removing their capacity for sexual sensation as adults as the goal. And she'd just said it was creepy to object to that. Thanks for carelessly legitimising FGM!

I was so furious, I muted her and I hope her posts never darken my feed again.

But ffs. People tell me that there should be no conflict between trans rights and women's rights and I'm just a bigot for having issues, and then a TRA totally throws FGM victims under the bus. And we're supposed to not notice?