The reaction to superstraight

[FleurPower123]

Hey all,

I usually lurk and read threads but I fancied having a chat about this topic as I've been reading with interest - quite new to the whole trans debate and still a bit overwhelmed by it all. Was blissfully unaware a month ago and I've now found out what a rabbithole the whole thing is!

I've no doubt many people are using the superstraight thing as a means to poke fun at the trans lobby, but I also believe at least part of it may have sprung up as a reaction to the whole suffocating 'no debate' standpoint and the absolutely unflinching self indulgence shown by some TRAs with seemingly no empathy to balance it out - e.g. "I'm scared to share changing rooms with men but how very dare you have a problem sharing with me (a man)".

I watched a YouTube video where people were criticising the superstraight trend, and one young guy said (paraphrased) "if you were to date a trans person and really like them, but then find out they were trans and dump them you'd be transphobic."

Surely what you'd actually be is a victim of 'rape by deception'? People have actually been sent to prison for pretending to be the opposite sex and tricking unknowing people into sleeping with them - like Gayle Newland and Gemma Watts who posed as men to sleep with other women and received prison sentences.

I was a bit confused by this seeming implication that you'd be in the wrong if somebody concealed their sex from you and you then became angry upon finding out and dumped them.

Hoefully, this isn't the part where I find out I'm a horrible bigot... 😬

Not sure what your question is?

Being superstraight (or super gay, bi or lesbian) is just a description of your sexuality. It is pretty straight forward. No poking of fun intended.

I'm not really asking a question. Well, maybe whether it can really be bigoted to completely discount an entire sex from your preferences. I mean, it's not like we regard gay men as misogynistic for ruling out all women from their dating pool.

I do personally think some blokes are being a bit gleeful with the whole superstraight thing tbh as it's not like the average bloke is so overwhelmed by trans admirers he needs a separate sexuality to differentiate himself. Most het on just fine. But I can't bring myself to feel too much sympathy to the TRAs with their attempted gatekeeping of people's sexuality.

For lesbians though I think it may be a different story as they seem to get more grief for not fancying tw.

Best typo ever. 😂

If you are only just coming to this issue, I think you’re possibly not really aware of just how silenced people feel around the trans issue. I don’t think people are reacting so vehemently out of glee but because they have a small window of opportunity to get their voices heard or risk being once again subsumed. I’m gender critical. A parent the other day spoke of “cervix havers” on a group chat.

Have you looked at historical Twitter? Death and rape threats of gender critical women abound with comments such as “welcome to your erasure”. All the women were asking for is to be recognised as more vulnerable than male bodied people due to their size, determined by their sex class. Twitter doesn’t even recognise sex as a protected class. Reddit is as bad.

Then there’s Stonewall a lobbying group under the guise of a charity, which is prolific, everywhere. In schools, business, university... teaching the same mantra. TWAW and no debate. People are scared. I have taught my dd she is vulnerable because of her sex and the trans people are to be respected but trans women are not the same. I have also told her to be careful when expressing these views.

This is just scratching the surface.

Superstraight was a chan op and it's already fizzling out.

@Hibari

Superstraight was a chan op and it's already fizzling out.

Superstraight shines a spotlight on the rape culture and homophobia of a nasty core of trans activists, and only those who agree with them would be happy to see it fizzle out. Otherwise, why would you object to drawing attention to these examples? Surely it’s easy to condemn?

lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/

@Hibari

Superstraight was a chan op and it's already fizzling out.

No it wasn’t. It was a tik tok made by a 16 year old boy.

What's a chan op? Sounds like a dodgy medical procedure.

I haven't really researched Stonewall but I've seen lots of seemingly negative references to them on here. I did see a video ages ago of a bearded guy in a dress talking about expanding the bandwidth of womanhood or something and was a bit 🤔.

I luckily work in a predominantly blue collar male sector which is very logistics and heavy industry based so don't think we'll be having pronoun training anytime soon. The blokes would laugh it out of the training room or probably come up with silly titles.

Superstraight was a chan op and it's already fizzling out

It might well fizzle out eventually but it is trending on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, its massive on Reddit and is already on the internet news media.

It is snowballing on the internet right now. No idea if it will cross over to MSM but it is not fizzling out, it has hit a nerve with millions of people.

Superstraight was a chan op and it's already fizzling out

It really wasn't, that's a superphobic salacious rumour It started on tiktok.

@FleurPower123

What's a chan op? Sounds like a dodgy medical procedure.

I haven't really researched Stonewall but I've seen lots of seemingly negative references to them on here. I did see a video ages ago of a bearded guy in a dress talking about expanding the bandwidth of womanhood or something and was a bit 🤔.

I luckily work in a predominantly blue collar male sector which is very logistics and heavy industry based so don't think we'll be having pronoun training anytime soon. The blokes would laugh it out of the training room or probably come up with silly titles.

Think "psy op" but conducted by sweaty misogynists considered too degenerate for even reddit.

...If you really don't know what 4chan is, you're better off and I envy you.

OP - there is a long thread of nearly 1000 posts which discusses this at length. You may find a quick read through that answers many of the questions you have: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4184352-Superstraight?pg=1

And ignore the 4 chan/psy ops dissembling on this thread - that was debunked (repeatedly 🙄) on the other thread.

Superstraight is here to stay. It's a legitimate sexual orientation, just because the trans lobby have muddied the waters around what a woman is, doesn't mean people stop knowing.

Thanks for the link NotBadConsidering. I am going to forward it to a sceptical friend.

It was a 16 year old boy whose mother's business then got targeted by fake reviews end the boy got death threats.

Blaire White has a video about it Op. m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCMxBmbCSU
(Blaire is a trans woman with whom I disagree on quite a few things, but has retained contact with biological reality and has no time for TRAs who often aren't actually trans).

It appears to be now banned. The trans lobby acting with all the finesses of a brick through a window.

I don’t think it’s bigoted to change your mind if you find a prospective partner is trans. People change their mind and end their relationships for a multitude of reasons. For example if you want children and the person your dating doesn’t
You definitely need to read read read OP, this really is more about more than your sexual preference, so much more
Welcome to FWR

@HPFA the # superstraight has been banned on TikTok

Im getting this message

www.reddit.com/r/SuperStraight/comments/lzujk4/serious_supers_they_are_trying_to_paint_us_as_a/

I think Superstraight just highlights how meaningless these phrases and insults that TRAs use really are. We need to talk like sensible, responsible adults. All the shouting, name calling and 'cancelling' isn't doing them any favours because, as can be seen by Superstraight, we can do it back. And they don't like it. So maybe it's time for everyone to stop and for the open, respectful discussions to start.

[quote Rockinmomma]@HPFA the # superstraight has been banned on TikTok[/quote]
Banned on Reddit too.
Lots of triumphant superstraightphobia stuff has popped up instead

Who are these people?

It's not a 'Chan Op'. TRAs, led by a particular TRA known for, erm, alternative facts, are trying to claim Superstraight is a 4chan joke that has fooled feminists. MRAs used to do the same with feminist campaigns.

Their evidence is post dated just two days ago with a mocked-up 'superstraight' flag meant to look like a Nazi flag, but black and gold. But that was obviously created in reaction to superstraight, and was probably critical of it.

It's pretty obvious that superstraight, supergay, superlesbian and superbi are a revolt against aggressive ideologues who call sexuality 'genital fetishism'. and who deny biological reality.

@FleurPower123

Best typo ever. 😂

Yep, that's me too, just (super) hetting on