The reaction to superstraight

[FleurPower123]

Hey all,

I usually lurk and read threads but I fancied having a chat about this topic as I've been reading with interest - quite new to the whole trans debate and still a bit overwhelmed by it all. Was blissfully unaware a month ago and I've now found out what a rabbithole the whole thing is!

I've no doubt many people are using the superstraight thing as a means to poke fun at the trans lobby, but I also believe at least part of it may have sprung up as a reaction to the whole suffocating 'no debate' standpoint and the absolutely unflinching self indulgence shown by some TRAs with seemingly no empathy to balance it out - e.g. "I'm scared to share changing rooms with men but how very dare you have a problem sharing with me (a man)".

I watched a YouTube video where people were criticising the superstraight trend, and one young guy said (paraphrased) "if you were to date a trans person and really like them, but then find out they were trans and dump them you'd be transphobic."

Surely what you'd actually be is a victim of 'rape by deception'? People have actually been sent to prison for pretending to be the opposite sex and tricking unknowing people into sleeping with them - like Gayle Newland and Gemma Watts who posed as men to sleep with other women and received prison sentences.

I was a bit confused by this seeming implication that you'd be in the wrong if somebody concealed their sex from you and you then became angry upon finding out and dumped them.

Hoefully, this isn't the part where I find out I'm a horrible bigot... 😬

@FleurPower123

Watched the start of that Blair White video and didn't even clock she was trans tbh! She is definitely blessed in that respect.

BW has had facial feminisation surgery.

Just caught up on this thread and saw that you also had seen about the Vancouver rape relief (just posted about it).

I do think it deserves its own thread though, I find it atrocious.

I came on to share Blaire White’s video too but it is already here. I personally am not into vaginas so therefore I guess I am super straight. Don’t see how anyone could have a problem with that tbh, it doesn’t affect anyone unless you’re desperate to be with me and I’m rejecting you because I’m not attracted to you and the genitals attached to you. That would be your problem, not mine. I don’t understand the uproar, it’s anything new or groundbreaking.

Imagine being so enraged that LGB & Hetero people are in solidarity re: opposing rape culture, that you flex your networking and institutional power to stop donations going to a rape relief shelter..

Could they make it any more obvious?

Also, the last I saw, S+ had raised over $7k for Vancouver Rape Relief. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who'll respond to the totalitarians' power-flex by boycotting GoFundMe, and making an increased donation, directly to Vancouver Rape Relief, .

I saw you had a thread on superstraight. I post on Twitter as part of the movement. I just wanted to say it isn’t in the slightest transphobic. It’s quite the opposite. We absolutely accept transwomen are women for example. There’s a lot of confusion about why superstraight isn’t the same thing as straight. So I’ll try to explain it.

Basically it’s like this...

As we know, some women have penises, some don’t. Some men have vaginas, some don’t. All straight people include women with penises as potential sexual partners, because they are attracted to people who identify as women.

Superstraights aren’t attracted to people with penises, only women with vaginas. Some people feel this is transphobic. But we feel we have a right to our identity.

Straight men are attracted to all women and so have no issues sleeping with or dating a woman with a penis. It literally doesn’t matter to them.

Superstraight men don’t experience sexual attraction if a penis is involved. It’s just how we’re wired. We were born that way. So we don’t sleep with all women. So we’re not straight. And we don’t sleep with men who have vaginas because...they’re men. We are only attracted to a particular type of women.

Superphobia is transphobia. If you call superstraight men straight you’re saying women with penises aren’t women. They obviously are. We just don’t experience attraction for them.

Obviously supergay and superlesbian is similar to the above.

It’s not easy being superstraight. Sometimes I wish I was “normal” like all the straight men who don’t mind sleeping with people with penises. But I’m not. And I accept that. I just want others to accept it too.

I don’t want to come in here and disrupt or bother anyone but if anyone has any questions or wants to hear about what it was like to grow up superstraight I’m happy to try and answer.

Superstraights aren’t attracted to people with penises, only women with vaginas.

You know not all superstraight people are men, don't you?

Haha @Supertolerant! Good one.

(That level of mansplaining has got to be a joke.)

Sorry, you are completely correct. I should have said “superstraight men”. I’ve made that mistake a couple of times. Sorry.

Already we know exactly which sex you are. See how it works?

@FleurPower123

What's a chan op? Sounds like a dodgy medical procedure.

I haven't really researched Stonewall but I've seen lots of seemingly negative references to them on here. I did see a video ages ago of a bearded guy in a dress talking about expanding the bandwidth of womanhood or something and was a bit 🤔.

I luckily work in a predominantly blue collar male sector which is very logistics and heavy industry based so don't think we'll be having pronoun training anytime soon. The blokes would laugh it out of the training room or probably come up with silly titles.

What does blue collar sector mean?

@Supertolerant

You're doing a great job. Watching the flailing on Twitter has been hilarious.

Hi Supertolerant, I think it is great to have the opportunity to ask some more questions.

Is is true that you are fully supportive of Superlesbians and Supergays?

I have also heard that you have a strong support amongst ethnic minorities. As a Superstraight, do you feel that is true?

Hello Woolofbat,

Thanks so much for the question. I appreciate it.

Of course we are fully supportive of superlesbian and supergay people.

As you are aware, and while I hesitate to speak for our superlesbian sisters, superlesbian people are not attracted to women with penises. This is something that is incomprehensible to most lesbians who are happy to include them in their sexual lives, obviously. We are all keen to raise awareness about this unique and unusual situation.

The perceived pressure to include people with penises in your sexual life is something I as a superstraight man have recently addressed in my poem “Winkie People” and you are welcome to seek it out and share my experiences as I have sought to express them.

We are absolutely welcoming towards people of al backgrounds, though I don’t feel I can speak for their experiences, preferring to listen.

As you know we are often accused of being “literal nazis”. I would point out that this is not true. We are not, by any means, advocates of Pan-Germanism, theories of racial hierarchy and an irredentist policy towards Alsace-Lorraine. Super straight men are just not attracted to people with penises which I don’t feel is the same.

I hope this answers your questions.

I saw the winkie poem 😀

I did like the eliminating communism with rabid badgers...so well done you on that

Apologies for the derail

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

I saw the winkie poem 😀

I did like the eliminating communism with rabid badgers...so well done you on that

Apologies for the derail

I’m so pleased you found something that spoke to you.

As for the badgers...it just seemed like the thing to do at the time.

Thank you again.

I would point out that this is not true. We are not, by any means, advocates of Pan-Germanism, theories of racial hierarchy and an irredentist policy towards Alsace-Lorraine.

This is wonderful work.

Superstraight, we had a trans person here who was really upset about your movement and saw it as a statement that you just wanted to exclude trans people from your sex pool. They felt that they should at least have a chance and felt very hurt.

Assume that they are a trans woman. What would be your words of wisdom to this person? Maybe they are a really hot trans woman and great in bed? Why won’t you at least take them on a date, take it further and see if you like it?

(Sorry to be personal, but I understand that Superlesbians are asked this the whole time).

#superstraight (more accurately the #super identities under the #super umbrella of #superstraight, #supergay, #superlesbian, and #superbi) is about getting trans activists to reveal what they think and what they do and, importantly, to do this to an audience including men.

This works by appropriating trans activist language and "logic" and applying these to gender critical concepts.

It involves creating a sexuality to trigger the response from trans activists that the created sexuality is invalid. When for their own purposes they will say that not accepting someone's identity is one of the worst secular sins that anyone can commit.

It involves getting trans activists to say explicitly and at full volume that a straight person excluding people of the same sex or a gay person excluding people of the opposite sex from dating and from their sexual lives is transphobic. They've been saying this for years but, remember, this time the audience includes a lot of men. Also, in the past whenever gender critical people have complained about this rapey part of their ideology, it's been dismissed as untrue or that it's held by only a tiny number. #superstraight shows these ideas are widely held.

It gives trans activists a chance to let their rage off the leash and to express as much hatred and as many death threats as they can manage. This turns out to be a very great deal indeed. But, remember, this time the audience includes a lot of men.

It lets trans activists show how the gender identity ideology is filled with cognitive dissonances, hypocrisy, and anger-driven irrationality.

Most important of all, it's done with humour, although the underlying messages of #super are #superserious. This means you end up with reasonable looking people on one side delivering a sensible message with humour and a tsunami of rage and hatred spitting death threats on the other. And then, the audience can decide which side they prefer.

Well, I’m conscious of not upsetting anyone. All I can say is that I fully accept the current model of gender identity. Anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman and anyone who identifies as a man is a man in every sense, including biology. I accept that as a straight man I would be expected to be attracted to women. Lesbians are attracted to all women. Absolutely on board. That’s accepted.

Unfortunately, for some reason, I am not sexually attracted to people who have penises. I don’t like focussing in trans women as not all trans women have a penis and I don’t want it to seem like I’m targeting anyone.

I could, of course, be attracted to a woman and not know she had a penis. But when that became apparent the attraction or desire for physical intimacy would end. I don’t know what to say about that. That’s just the way I am.

I don’t think there’s anything to be done about it. I suppose I could try to work through it somehow but that sounds like some kind of conversion therapy and I know that’s something people are very much against.

If people are hurt that I wouldn’t consider then as a sexual partner that’s unfortunate. But in life I think we have to accept that. I accept a lesbian wouldn’t be open to a relationship with me. And I think we are all entitled to have our own sexualities/identities/preferences. My understanding is that is how it works. What I like isn’t an attack on anyone else. It has nothing to do with anyone else. If I don’t like coffee that’s not an attack on the manager of the local Starbucks.

We accept we aren’t “normal”. We just want to be respected and left alone. We don’t want called names because of how we are. I understand that’s how things work now and I’m happy to work within that framework.

I hope that answers your question and doesn’t offend anyone.

@nauticant

#superstraight (more accurately the #super identities under the #super umbrella of #superstraight, #supergay, #superlesbian, and #superbi) is about getting trans activists to reveal what they think and what they do and, importantly, to do this to an audience including men.

This works by appropriating trans activist language and "logic" and applying these to gender critical concepts.

It involves creating a sexuality to trigger the response from trans activists that the created sexuality is invalid. When for their own purposes they will say that not accepting someone's identity is one of the worst secular sins that anyone can commit.

It involves getting trans activists to say explicitly and at full volume that a straight person excluding people of the same sex or a gay person excluding people of the opposite sex from dating and from their sexual lives is transphobic. They've been saying this for years but, remember, this time the audience includes a lot of men. Also, in the past whenever gender critical people have complained about this rapey part of their ideology, it's been dismissed as untrue or that it's held by only a tiny number. #superstraight shows these ideas are widely held.

It gives trans activists a chance to let their rage off the leash and to express as much hatred and as many death threats as they can manage. This turns out to be a very great deal indeed. But, remember, this time the audience includes a lot of men.

It lets trans activists show how the gender identity ideology is filled with cognitive dissonances, hypocrisy, and anger-driven irrationality.

Most important of all, it's done with humour, although the underlying messages of #super are #superserious. This means you end up with reasonable looking people on one side delivering a sensible message with humour and a tsunami of rage and hatred spitting death threats on the other. And then, the audience can decide which side they prefer.

...which includes a lot of men.

SuperExplanation Nauticant

@nauticant

It is a great explanantion although as my impression on Twitter is that an awful lot of TRAs don't seem to have understood this perhaps we shouldn't be giving them the information!

You're advising me as I advised others on the first thread on this:

Never interrupt your enemy while they is making a mistake

Never interrupt your enemy while they is making a mistake

Oh, I've never heard that. But yes, it's very true. Happens all the time on here.

HPFA, I think you are right, it is a problem that TRAs haven’t understood this.

As we have heard, Superstraight (and superlesbians and supergays) are very accepting and loving people who just want to get on with their sex lives in peace.

It seems that they, in addition, are a minority in terms of sexual preferences (I am told by TRAs). It is wrong to kink shame people just because their sexuality isn’t mainstream. As long as it is legal and between consenting adults, we should be loving and accepting.

Finally, they seem to be very ethically diverse. I think that this completely invalidates any nazi argument. If anyone made an unfortunate comment, that is #notallsuperstraights!

I think the solution is for the TRAs to really listen to the Superstraights so that they get a better understanding of their lived experience.

I think if the TRAs educated themselves a little bit more, this sad misunderstanding would disappear.

The quote is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte Datun. He might also have been #superstraight.

In fact, it's interesting how, if you go looking through history, how many people appear to have been under the #super umbrella or as it's known "People of Super". However, we must be wary of #super-ing people who actually had other sexualities.