Ireland..you could not make this up

[purplepizzabunny]

A vociferous campaigner for repeal the 8th campaign, Bernie Linnane, posted just now referring to JK Rowling as an "old trout", and freely admitted she has blocked people from the ARC twitter page, even though that page is a very useful source of info for anyone looking for advice on a termination. So in summary a woman makes derogatory comments about a someone's appearance, and decides that women who do not agree with her are not entitled to access information.

twitter.com/Berlinnaeus/status/1368245476810752006

twitter.com/Berlinnaeus/status/1368247803814805504

[Cailleach1]

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1370270337796038657

You can see why the women of Ireland were screwed over when you see the calibre of the TD's who introduced the GRA legislation. This example of a Minister of State overseeing the deplorably written GRA doesn't appear to consider or care about impact on others wrt the effects of the legislation he and his (overwhelmingly) bros introduced.

He says I think the piece about sport is bordering on bizarre. Who are we as a legislative body to tell any sporting organisation or who can or who can't play what sports. I find that really really just strange and odd and completely unnecessary and slightly offensive.

God, he is painful to listen to. And so limited.

So, he didn't find it bordering on bizarre, strange, odd, offensive or completely unnecessary to introduce legislation where a signature made you a different sex without any gatekeeping whatsoever. With the abuses carried out on women and children by church and state barely investigated, these TD's introduced legislation which would dismantle safeguarding in the way of any male opportunists so inclined. This is a TD who would introduce legislation which locks convicted rapists and violent men up with women. Because TD's like him didn't think it necessary to look at the impacts and legislate accordingly.

The 'I think' part is embroidering the truth a little there. Member of the 85% men's Dáil that screwed women over. That is why that legislation is so awful. It needed people with expertise and people who had the wherewithal to think about the impacts of the legislation they are making. And people with the respect for all Irish citizens. Not just the men who wanted whatever they wanted.

Because it was drawn up by TD's of that calibre, it is not surprising that Robert Purcell, chair of the Law Society Criminal Law Committee said: The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation. This was in relation to imprisoning convicted rapists and violent thugs with women. Of course it wasn't envisaged; having to think about impacts was obviously beyond the scope or concern of Aodhán's and his TD bros. And was viewed by them as bordering on bizarre. And unnecessary. And strange. And odd. And offensive.

www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

Irish women deserved better than him and his fellow 85% male Dáil. Irish women deserve better today.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

they have somehow 'earned' their inclusion as literal women is such nonsense. Lots of people were involved in Repeal, including 99% of the women who EOT labels so perjoratively.

Just trying to think if it's at all unusual for some groups to have minimum involvement but somehow be wholly responsible for successful outcomes and therefore entitled to All The Nice Things and All the Outcomes and therefore The Ones Who Should Be Allowed to Determine and Shape Future Related Matters.

[FionaMacCool]

Cailleach I couldnt listen to all of that clip that you linked; he meandered on, touching on "State imposing divorce", medical and constitutional issues, the status of the family.

Who was the blonde lady in a blue jacket who nodded along in agreement when he started to talk about sports?

Did nobody around that table, stop for a moment, to think about

• safeguarding children
  
• safeguarding women.
  

They're legislators...isnt there some rule about not disassembling barriers without first asking why the barrier was there in the first place?

[FionaMacCool]

I tried to listen

[highame]

The wide desemination of information in the media usually starts with the comments. I noticed that in the UK. Times articles appearing infrequently to start with and then picking up speed as the paper realised where there readership were. The paper then gained readers as it produced more articles and although it puts in some to give balance, you can't balance 80 - 20 by a 50-50 stance.

Hopefully Irish media will realise where their readers are. I have my fingers crossed

[Cailleach1]

I mean are we really advocating that we'd have a difference of opinion between someone's gender of identity and what someone else says?

But the Irish legislation basically states that their sex changes in line with their 'gender identity' (whatever that is). And can access all areas according to that sex into which they have transformed. You have the duty to look at the potential problems when as a TD you are involved in making legislation for someone who says they have a gender identity of 'woman' they become someone of the female sex. And dismantling safeguarding because of 'what someone says'. Were these people in Ireland in the final decades of the C20th?

He is like a preaching priest outlining the tenets rather than someone who has a duty of care to make sure the rights of all citizens are balanced. How could this mess have been any different?

@FionaMacCool , the nodding head is Leslie Sherlock.
They state I am a transgender ally, activist and educator with LGBT Noise, which is a non-party political, voluntary, independent group . Below is a link to the transcript of another meeting. Sherlock start speaking about halfway down this page.

Of interest too is Donal O'Shea, adult endocrinologist. He states In 20% of cases in which there is a diagnosis (of gender dysphoria?) before puberty there is a change of mind. Of course, we now know that it is likely that 80% of gender dysphoric children will desist if they go through through puberty. That meeting was in October, 2013.

www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/joint_committee_on_education_and_social_protection/2013-10-23/2/

[Cailleach1]

This is a transcript of the meeting, which was continued the next day.

www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/joint_committee_on_education_and_social_protection/2013-10-24/2/

[7Days]

I hear there are VAWG protests planned for the weekend, heard Ruth Coppinger on the radio.
I hope they are respectful and not hijacked by others with specific agendas

[Cailleach1]

Looking at this Seanad speech from Jillian van Turnhout who seems to think that the treatment of dysphoric children be driven by the proclamations of random transgender adults. Of course, their guiding compass will be child protection and children's rights.

Elizabeth Reilly et al published a very interesting piece of qualitative research on the issue which solicited the views of transgender adults about the needs of gender-variant children and their parents in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy – the peer-reviewed scientific journal published by Routledge – in 2013.

www.jillianvanturnhout.ie/gender-recognition-bill-2014-2/

[Annasgirl]

Well the IT is back to its usual self this morning. A letter about the impact of the pandemic on Women signed by TENI. When I saw them refer to women and pregnant people I realised it was not written by people who represent me.

[Cailleach1]

Why are TENI presenting themselves as the voice of women? They are a transgender network/ group, aren't they?

Gender identity is their shtick, not biological sex. Maybe they really mean to talk about the impact of the pandemic on people with certain gender identities. And as gender identity doesn't seem to be necessarily attached to sex ... .

[Mermoose]

They probably meant to sign it from the NWCI but just forgot who they were acting as that day.

[Cailleach1]

Ah, ok. So not only are this transgender network organisation the authority on same sex attracted people, they are the authority on women too. I was going to say in Ireland. But they have denounced British women as hateful for standing up for their rights. The lads who are career activists on large NGO salaries in Ireland don't want any of that nonsense of women thinking they can stand up for themselves in Ireland.

I was going to say I bet they'd like to influence what material Irish people are allowed to read. But of course, that is being covered. .. .

GCN in collaboration with TENI and Una Mullally present an information evening for journalists and other media workers.

gcn.ie/talking-sense-launches-to-combat-harmful-anti-trans-discourse-in-the-media/

You couldn't make it up. TENI advocate representation be removed form people who don't believe in their ideology. Then they say it is hard to have a civil conversation and say there has been honest and open conversations. Stealth and sneak more like.

It should be recognised that legislative progress in Ireland, which gave rise to the Gender Recognition Act in 2015, was a rare example of the political machinery being somewhat ahead of the public’s familiarity with the lived experience of trans people.

Sounds like a coup.

[Mermoose]

In recent months and years, entrenched opinions, polarising rhetoric, and misinformation have very unfortunately characterised parts of the “discourse” about the lives and healthcare of trans people....In this atmosphere, it is increasingly difficult for civil conversations to occur online.

Jesus this movement is gaslighting start to finish.

[Mermoose]

It's also hilariously ironic, for a group of people that have been telling Irish women they can't talk to foreigners, that they had an American there telling Irish journalists what they should and shouldn't say.

Side point that I suppose doesn't really matter but that name - Éirénne - is that actually an Irish name? I've never heard of it and it looks like one of those Irishy names only Americans use, like Colleen, only with fadas sort of scattered in there. How would you even pronounce it? Air-ey-nya?

[irishfeminist]

Mermoose, it is a totally made up name with random fadas dropped in. It's as recent an acquisition as its bearer's "female identity" - four or five years.

[irishfeminist]

They love their botched Irish names.

[Mermoose]

Oh it's meant to be Éirinn, isn't it? God. The effort to make it look extra Irishy kind of backfires.

[FionaMacCool]

Mermoose I cannot unhear that pronunciation now.

Yes, ironic isn't it, that we GC women are "infected" by contact with those horrible, "anti-trans" Brits.

But, those open-minded, fair and unbigoted people at TENI have an American at the helm. Really? there was not one single Irish trans person who could have taken the job?

[irishfeminist]

Interesting isn't it? Especially as TENI is already like an employment agency for our most vocal homegrown activists. Jobs for the...

[purplepizzabunny]

Have you seen the latest addition to TENI Irish feminist? I'd love to see how their recruitment process works.

[irishfeminist]

Is it the person we mentioned above or someone else? I just assume they all work for TENI at this stage..

[notyourhandmaid]

It's the one who abuses women for wanting the word 'women' in cervical screening info... wait, that doesn't narrow it down much, does it?

[notyourhandmaid]

2 letters in today's IT on the GRA (the sensible one is 2nd).
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/impact-of-gender-recognition-act-1.4511075

[Cailleach1]

The first letter says this legislation can't have been stealthily introduced - because it was introduced in 2015. First is how, second is when. When doesn't contradict how. So, it was stealthily introduced a while ago and people, especially women because it affects us more, are beginning to see the effects of it. Because it was introduced stealthily in 2015 without a public vote on it.

The second bit just says that women are bad if they stand up for their sex. Just like bad women in Britain; who are also bad 'cos they're British. Imagine being bad 'cos you're a woman and also bad 'cos you're British woman. So Irish women standing up for themselves are inherently anti Irish. Brian in TCD and Elizabeth in Liverpool need to stick to substantive facts rather than implying it is anti Irish for women to defend their rights.

The Irony of this ideology being a US ideology imported via Yogyakarta. Without a public discussion, never mind debate.

Helen's letter is very good.