Ireland..you could not make this up

[purplepizzabunny]

A vociferous campaigner for repeal the 8th campaign, Bernie Linnane, posted just now referring to JK Rowling as an "old trout", and freely admitted she has blocked people from the ARC twitter page, even though that page is a very useful source of info for anyone looking for advice on a termination. So in summary a woman makes derogatory comments about a someone's appearance, and decides that women who do not agree with her are not entitled to access information.

twitter.com/Berlinnaeus/status/1368245476810752006

twitter.com/Berlinnaeus/status/1368247803814805504

[Abitofalark]

Thanks, for that, notyourhandmaid.

[purplepizzabunny]

Abortion rights campaign. Set up a few years ago during the repeal campaign and now pretty much a trans rights vehicle

[highame]

I am trying to work out how the capture happened? It seems bizarre that ALL are transwomen, or are there biological women in the organisation. A couple of years ago this would have seemed unbelievable but now.....

[FionaMacCool]

I found the link to this from ARC's Twitter page.

www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2021/03/06/lets-talk-about-bodily-autonomy-trans-healthcare-and-the-fight-for-reproductive-justice/

" the Bell ruling is an attack on the right to bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is not just the right to decide to continue or end a pregnancy – it is the right to make our own decisions about what happens to our bodies. Of course, these decisions should be informed and consent freely given – and the best way to ensure informed decision making is to provide people with information and time. Limited services with long waiting lists restrict information and time for decision-making. "

I actually agree with this (the concept of bodily autonomy and how it relates to pregnancy care)..... up to the point where it's about minors who are making life-time, life-altering decisions with unquestioning support from adults.
In any medical field, the possibility of alternative diagnoses is always considered.
Particularly in psycho-social care, where family systems, social contagion, abuse/neglect or other factors, may be part of the presenting issue.

[notyourhandmaid]

There's a big difference between putting your activism within a broader context, and having your International Women's Day event be about something else within that context, and not your stated primary purpose and the reason people support you. If the founders of the campaign want to redirect their energies to a different cause, they should be upfront and transparent about this.

[MissBarbary]

@EarringsandLipstick

And whilst abortion is legal in Ireland it's still inaccessible due to a lack of clinic providing the service right?

Just to correct this - no, it's not inaccessible. Services are available via GPs & hospitals, as permitted under law.

Abortion is now provided by more than 300 GPs and ten out of 19 maternity hospitals in the country

It is estimated that there are more than 2,500 GPs in Ireland

So 88% of GPs and 48% of maternity hospitals are not providing abortion.

www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/one-year-on-its-clear-that-the-new-irish-abortion-services-have-serious-limitations-129491

www.irishhealth.com/article.html?con=130

[Monicuddle]

I wonder if there’s a link to the Irish social democrats. They used to be a respectable party challenging FF and FG and actively campaigning for abortion rights, same sex marriage, justice for laundries survivors and now all their energy seems to be focused on ‘trans rights’. Anyone who raised so much as an eyebrow was publicly shamed and shunned on social media. Since these are the active campaigners and they filtered out anyone GC, there is now a trans slant on everything they do and their former allies are shut out. I think they’ve hurt themselves in the process though. There’s only so many voters that will encourage this.

[elgreco]

I am curious to know how much has infiltrated actual society outside of Twitter ...etc. I live in SD in very middle class (liberal area) area. I have a fair few kids so have had interactions with numerous schools over the years. I have yet to come across a trans kid. It seems that despite all the nonsense it may be passing them by. Or am I being ridiculously hopeful?

[Cailleach1]

The problem is that the legislation which dismantles women's sex based rights is in place. An avenue which can be used by any male who so wishes. What about when more men who are convicted of sex or violent crimes become aware of their need to just sign off their change of sex. What about the women who are forced to be exposed to them in prison.

Or someone elderly or disabled receiving intimate care who is told the person she recognises as a 'man' is legally a woman and stop being so bigoted.

That is the tip of it. Sports, education, discomfort day in and day out in spaces where you want safety, privacy and dignity. Women and girls have rights to parity of esteem and fairness.

I think some of the people at the gender clinics in the UK and elsewhere were saying there were so few girls a decade ago and now it has exploded.

Think of how many children in Ireland went through their schooling taught by the religious in the past. The numbers of abuse and abusers may have been relatively small, but we don't think it was ok because of that. One of the terms of reference of the Ferns Inquiry was about improving safeguarding for children. To lessen the potential for abuse to take place.

I think we have to ask why it was deemed appropriate to have rules for safety and safeguarding. Then ask why someone should be exempted from any gatekeeping on their say so.

[Ninkanink]

It’s truly horrendous. Solidarity to the many women who are being, and will be, so badly affected by this. I’m angry on your behalf, and I’ll never stop being angry! They don’t frighten me.

[MissBarbary]

@purplepizzabunny

Abortion rights campaign. Set up a few years ago during the repeal campaign and now pretty much a trans rights vehicle

Are they doing anything in relation to the low take up by GPs in Ireland and the strict enforcement of the 12 week rule?

Or the fact that even after legalisation that prior to lockdown there was still more than 1 women per day travelling to England for an abortion.

[irishfeminist]

Cailleach that person is American and hasn't a fkn clue about our history but lectures us from on high about it every day. Completely and utterly unhinged.

I wish they could have that IWD event live, it'd look like the cantina scene in Star Wars.

[SunsetBeetch]

Wow. Disgusting.

[elgreco]

I don't disagree about the dangers of legislation and perhaps in a couple of years time we will have hundreds of damaged children. I was hoping that the whole movement would run out steam before we get to that point. I am horrified about the disturbed males in Limerick's women's prison alright. I will shortly be emailing my TDs re this.

[SunsetBeetch]

Glinner has written about it.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/its-reigning-men?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMzI1Nzc0MywicG9zdF9pZCI6MzMzNzA0MjUsIl8iOiJnbUc2bSIsImlhdCI6MTYxNTE0MjMwNCwiZXhwIjoxNjE1MTQ1OTA0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNjczMDkiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.e60Zshj_9-dHpPeks2rxn1uOaXvb2NjWJshaGiAlQVs

[Dontbeme]

@elgreco I emailed all my TDs, minster for Justice and minister of state at the dept of justice and law reform and half replied with an email acknowledging my email to them and a few just forwarded it on to minister for justice, not one reply that suggested anyone actually read what I wrote. I got info from the Irish prison service annual report, quoting their own facts and figures, these people know what is going on and the risk to women, they just don't care.

[7Days]

Would you consider resending that again, with the chain, including newspapers and radio etc Don'tBeMe?

[Dontbeme]

@7Days I am going to give myself a week or two to calm down and then consider my next move. I am not letting this go, but will have to be very strategic about what I do next, time and money is limited right now.

[7Days]

Fair play, Dontbeme

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

I am curious to know how much has infiltrated actual society outside of Twitter ...etc. I live in SD in very middle class (liberal area) area. I have a fair few kids so have had interactions with numerous schools over the years. I have yet to come across a trans kid. It seems that despite all the nonsense it may be passing them by. Or am I being ridiculously hopeful?
I kind of agree that day to day people seem unaware/unbothered by this, mostly because, as Cailleach says the legislation is already in pace and the media are keeping quiet about it.

I am also in South Dublin, although don't have kids so no idea what the schools have to say about this - I would hazard a guess the catholic schools are not spouting anything trans positive that's for sure.

I just hate the fact that we almost need to wait until bad things start happening on a larger scale before things are going to change, or before the general population sees this for the problem that it is.

To be honest if you asked 100 random people in the street here if they knew anything about self-id or the change in the wording of the Equality Acts, most people probably haven't a clue. That's how the TRA's want to keep it.

Plus after the gay marriage and abortion referendums, there seems to be many younger people who think this is just the next human rights issue, with no real understanding of the threat to women that lies underneath.

[notyourhandmaid]

There are clusters of trans teenagers - groups of girls, which will surprise no one here - in certain Dublin schools. Following all the patterns.

[3timeslucky]

The TENI message is included in SPHE textbooks used in secondary schools. It reads as if the authors went directly to the TENI website or documentation and copied and pasted the info. Assuming those books are used across secondary schools in Ireland the messaging is getting into RC schools as well as others. Events relating to standing up to bullying are now routinely focused on waving the trans flag rather than bullying.

[notyourhandmaid]

Groooo... ss dereliction of duty there.

[HeirloomTomato]

Every time I hear news about women’s rights in Ireland now, all I can think about is what a textbook example of policy capture it is. It’s dizzying how quickly it happened too. Women in Ireland barely caught our breath from the revelations about the cervical cancer screening scandal and the mother and baby homes and now we’re having organizations that were set up to fight for our rights being restructured overnight to give male-born people a platform to talk about a fringe issue. Truly astonishing.

[XXSex]

@elgreco

I am curious to know how much has infiltrated actual society outside of Twitter ...etc. I live in SD in very middle class (liberal area) area. I have a fair few kids so have had interactions with numerous schools over the years. I have yet to come across a trans kid. It seems that despite all the nonsense it may be passing them by. Or am I being ridiculously hopeful?

There are quite a few. Im Dublin based, middle class area and there are quite a few in my social circle.
The GRA is currently going through the Seanad to allow self ID for under 18. Once that’s through then there will be a lot more as it legitimises it.