Superstraight

[Xanthangum]

Superstraight is trending on twitter. No I hadn't either.

Its a subcategory of straight that means that straight people can now be included in the lgbtqi+ categories. Or something. Hooray! Fight for my superstraight rights too Stonewall!. Or something

twitter.com/supa_str8/status/1368003836863000576?s=20

But LGBT solidarity, and indeed the term itself, was a recognition of a shared oppression. To include straight people in that, whether you drop the T or not, erases that oppression.

Except that now, and quite possibly from the start, the LGB - letters that define same-sex attracted people - are being oppressed by the T, who are all about gender, something entirely different. And with every letter that’s added to the acronym, the original focus on LGB rights is diluted.

The QQTA+ whatever have Stonewall fighting for them now. That’s fine. They’re welcome to it. But then they can’t get angry & abusive when the LGB want to go off & do their own thing.

"They’re welcome to it. But then they can’t get angry & abusive when the LGB want to go off & do their own thing."

But what about the LGB trans people, which is most of them?

LGBS = who you fancy

T, Q and whatever all the other ones are = how you feel about yourself.

Thirst posts? What is that?

As it's written it seems to be a talking about #superstraight women being sexually attracted to Paris Lees and Monroe Bergdorf. It's just a derail.

@Xanthangum

Thirst posts? What is that?

Internet slang meaning posts about finding someone attractive. After all straight women probably wouldn't find trans women attractive but surely super straight women must in some cases?

@nauticant

Thirst posts? What is that?

As it's written it seems to be a talking about #superstraight women being sexually attracted to Paris Lees and Monroe Bergdorf. It's just a derail.

It's not a derail, its trying to get a handle on what super straight means on a thread about the concept of super straight.

@jj1968

"They’re welcome to it. But then they can’t get angry & abusive when the LGB want to go off & do their own thing."

But what about the LGB trans people, which is most of them?

In practice they’ll presumably have to either form their own “thing”?

Just a reminder that Johnny Best has won a payout from his University. See the other threads on FWR.

And also. There are a few more UK court cases happening this week surrounding the issue of sexuality. See the other FWR threads.

But what about the LGB trans people, which is most of them?

Apart from bisexual people who I suspect form a significant proportion of the trans community, we really are in Upside Down land here. Straight monosexuality is "gay" or "lesbian" to people who believe in gender identity ideology.

In practice they’ll presumably have to either form their own “thing”?

So trans LGB people aren't allowed in the LGB either? That seems a little harsh. Does that mean I'm not bisexual anymore? What am I then?

So please report back with what 4Chan are making of your arguments JJ as I assume you’re fighting the good fight over there as well, I’m sure you’re not just doing it here. That would be a pretty bad look.

Be more inclusive and go talk to them.

When you date, you filter out those who are not compatible and not attractive to you, the first wave of expulsion usually stems from biological sex, then it could be height/weight/interests/fertility etc etc.

So, I automatically filter out women from my dating needs, no matter how masculine she could make herself look or how interesting as a person she was.

So as a Superstraight woman, I wouldn’t exclude Paris or Monroe from my dating pool on the basis of their sex, they would pass that first hurdle if you will. Then comes the next wave of filtering... Which would remove them from my dating pool on the basis of physical attraction.

Apart from bisexual people who I suspect form a significant proportion of the trans community, we really are in Upside Down land here. Straight monosexuality is "gay" or "lesbian" to people who believe in gender identity ideology.

And to a lot of people in gender critical circles many trans people are self hating or confused lesbians and gay men, except when it comes to being part of the LGB and then they get expelled along with the bi trans people because they suddenly become not lesbian and gays.

@jj1968

In practice they’ll presumably have to either form their own “thing”?

So trans LGB people aren't allowed in the LGB either? That seems a little harsh. Does that mean I'm not bisexual anymore? What am I then?

What’s a bisexual?

So as a Superstraight woman, I wouldn’t exclude Paris or Monroe from my dating pool on the basis of their sex, they would pass that first hurdle if you will. Then comes the next wave of filtering... Which would remove them from my dating pool on the basis of physical attraction.

But surely if you consider them men, then a super straight woman would at least find some trans women attractive? What is it about Paris and Monroe that stops you finding them attractive? It's not gender surely because that doesn't play a role in sexual attraction as everyone seems to agree.

So trans LGB people aren't allowed in the LGB either

How can a trans person be LG or B. Trans people believe sex is a meaningless spectrum and that your deeply felt internal gender defines you. For a trans person to be L or G they'd have to identify their own sex (which is transphobic) and they'd have to identify a partner of the same sex (using genital inspections presumably).

Surely, all trans people must be pansexual because how can they tell anyones sex?

@jj1968

In practice they’ll presumably have to either form their own “thing”?

So trans LGB people aren't allowed in the LGB either? That seems a little harsh. Does that mean I'm not bisexual anymore? What am I then?

I guess it’s up to the LGB gang. I’m none of those things so can’t really comment.

I’m sure it will work itself out - like in other areas of life, you find a place where you fit in and are welcome or you go and find another place, or set up your own place. Isn’t that what most people do in most scenarios?

To be clear, by “place” - we’re not talking about workplaces etc where laws exist to welcome any and all, and discrimination is illegal. We’re just talking about informal clubs and society type things aren’t we? Places where the founders/owners/bosses can make the rules - like mumsnet?!

Internet slang meaning posts about finding someone attractive. After all straight women probably wouldn't find trans women attractive but surely super straight women must in some cases?

Perhaps some will, but surely that’s down to individuals. Why would you expect the posters on this thread to know?

What is it about Paris and Monroe that stops you finding them attractive?

Their belief system. Fundamentalists are generally fairly unattractive people IMO.

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Fantastic new website launching for all the Supers out here.

#Super

“ But surely if you consider them men, then a super straight woman would at least find some trans women attractive? What is it about Paris and Monroe that stops you finding them attractive? It's not gender surely because that doesn't play a role in sexual attraction as everyone seems to agree.”

JJ

I just view them as just any other unattractive male to me. No different to way I wouldn’t consider an obese or much older male. I don’t find any obese or elderly males attractive, I don’t find any transwoman attractive. Same difference.

unlike superstraight men who presumably find trans men attractive.

To turn this back around, it's quite possible that straight men would fancy a GNC female. But if the whole gender identity thing turns them off, such as the navel gazing and hormones, then they might find that a dealbreaker. Which I imagine is the case for bi people who are not attracted to trans people. In reality it's unlikely this applies to every individual technically under the trans umbrella, as it's such a catch all category.

How can a trans person be LG or B.

Incredibly easily, by being a woman attracted to women, a man attracted to men or by being either attracted to both, with numerous variations possible for non-binary people.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

What is it about Paris and Monroe that stops you finding them attractive?

Their belief system. Fundamentalists are generally fairly unattractive people IMO.

I don't think that's how sexual attraction works though. It's quite possible to completely oppose someone's politics but still reluctantly find them attractive, even if you might not ever consider doing anything about it.

How about a trans woman with different views? Would a superstraight woman fancy someone like Blaire White?

So as a Superstraight woman, I wouldn’t exclude Paris or Monroe from my dating pool on the basis of their sex, they would pass that first hurdle if you will. Then comes the next wave of filtering... Which would remove them from my dating pool on the basis of physical attraction.

Same. But not just physical attraction. General attractiveness to me, my "type" which also includes personality etc.