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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Superstraight

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Xanthangum · 06/03/2021 05:31

Superstraight is trending on twitter. No I hadn't either.

Its a subcategory of straight that means that straight people can now be included in the lgbtqi+ categories. Or something. Hooray! Fight for my superstraight rights too Stonewall!. Or something

twitter.com/supa_str8/status/1368003836863000576?s=20

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/03/2021 11:51

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark - bloody brilliant post, well said indeed!

Subordinatethatclause · 07/03/2021 11:55

Sexuality is a spectrum. Some will be superstraight, some supergay and most of us somewhere in between. Gender identity I see in a similar way. Each to their own.

boatyardblues · 07/03/2021 11:57

That superstraight subreddit won’t open in a browser and I don’t want to download the app. What’s the general thrust of the discussion? Mirroring Twitter, or picking up on different themes?

jj1968 · 07/03/2021 11:57

with the r/SuperStraight reddit sub going up on 1 March 2021, and from then on there was a superspreading event when everyone else joined in including 4Chan.

Interesting though, that the two groups reacting to this most gleefully are gender critical activists and teenage boys with a nazi fetish.

This just looks like another way for teenage boys to prove how macho they are to me, I dread to think how it will play out in playgrounds if it sticks as boys compete to show how super straight they are - probably by bullying gay and gender nonconforming kids.

Still at least the straights have their own oppression now. Straight pride rebranded. Slow hand clap.

MissBarbary · 07/03/2021 11:58

@Subordinatethatclause

Sexuality is a spectrum. Some will be superstraight, some supergay and most of us somewhere in between. Gender identity I see in a similar way. Each to their own.
I doubt very much that "most of us are somewhere in between"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2021 12:02

Now straight men are saying enough, and so they have come up with “superstraight”. Not because it’s a made up orientation - how fucking batshit naive and divorced from reality do you have to be to think that?! Honestly?! - but because the language that unequivocally hetero- and homo-sexual people used to use for their long established sexuality has been stolen from them and corrupted to mean something else, to be meaningless in fact.

Yes, that is it. Exactly. "Superstraight" just literally means "straight". Attracted only to members of the opposite sex. If you are attracted to members of the same sex also, whatever their personal gender identity, you are bisexual to a greater or lesser degree.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/03/2021 12:04

@Fucket - sounds like your DH is bisexual then but likes his male partners to be more feminine? There is an entire list of things he could be but only if you subscribe to the recent ideology.

thirdfiddle · 07/03/2021 12:04

Make up your mind genderfolks, are most people attracted to gender so superstraight is super-rare and special? Or are most people attracted to sex and it's just average straight folks in which case why keep calling them bigoted for their actual orientation?

jj1968 · 07/03/2021 12:05

Look in the transwidows threads to see what often happens to a woman's view of the attractiveness of her male partner when he starts dressing as a woman, and particularly takes women's underwear into the bedroom

That's part of how gender manifests though surely? Why would a man who presents in a feminine way somehow suddenly become less attractive? There's nothing inherent to nature that says a man dressed in lingerie should be off putting, it's cultural, we learned it and I suspect it a large part of where transphobia comes from - much the same people a lot of people once felt repulsion when they saw same sex people being affectionate (and some still do).

RozWatching · 07/03/2021 12:05

@nauticant

Before anyone asks, of course a trans person doesn't have to adopt the gender presentation of their "target gender" and they can be one of the types who, for example, maintain a male gender expression but make clear they have some kind of feminine gendered soul. Unsurprisingly a lot of people also find that off-putting.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkK7zisjoDk

Alex Drummond has a great look - shame about the casual sexism in claiming to be expanding the bandwidth of womanhood.

Subordinatethatclause · 07/03/2021 12:06

@MissBarbary I think quite a number of people are. It's not that unknown for people to have relationships or encounters with someone of the sex they wouldn't settle down with. I know several women who've had one nighters with women in the past but are very happily married/ partnered up with men now, and others who have been married for years only to divorce and later have relationships with women.

jj1968 · 07/03/2021 12:07

Homosexuals never demanded that straight people sleep with them or else they would be homophobic.

Are you kidding? Gender critical icon Sheila Jeffreys claimed that straight women were sleeping with the enemy and that true feminists should be lesbians, a position widely held by many lesbian feminists including Julie Bindel.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2021 12:07

Make up your mind genderfolks, are most people attracted to gender so superstraight is super-rare and special? Or are most people attracted to sex and it's just average straight folks in which case why keep calling them bigoted for their actual orientation?

Good point and that's #checkwoke, I think.

Fucket · 07/03/2021 12:09

Ereshkigalangcleg Yes this is what DH and I thought he was, although honestly he didn’t really think about it until today with the super straight trend.

nauticant · 07/03/2021 12:10

Why would a man who presents in a feminine way somehow suddenly become less attractive? There's nothing inherent to nature that says a man dressed in lingerie should be off putting, it's cultural, we learned it and I suspect it a large part of where transphobia comes from - much the same people a lot of people once felt repulsion when they saw same sex people being affectionate (and some still do).

Hooray, we've got our very own poster on the thread who is going to explain why certain women's sexual preferences are wrong. This could actually serve as a real-time justification of why #superstraight is needed and is proving immensely popular.

SirSamuelVimes · 07/03/2021 12:11

Straight / heterosexual used to mean same sex attracted.

Gay / lesbian / homosexual used to mean opposite sex attracted.

Then gender ideology came along and told us that it wasn't allowed to mean that anymore.

So our sexuality hasn't changed, but the word to describe it has been changed and is no longer appropriate or accurate.

It's seen as hateful and bigoted to claim the old meaning of the word.

It's seen as hateful and bigoted to make a new word that accurately describes our sexuality.

The only thing that is apparently not hateful and bigoted is to deny our true sexuality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/03/2021 12:12

It's not "transphobia" for a woman to be turned off by her husband of many years role playing his crass male gaze idea of "woman" and expecting her to play along.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2021 12:12

His mother gets death threats. #bekind all over again, eh? Rainbow family as loving and inclusive as usual.

Fucket · 07/03/2021 12:13

I think though with the partnering up with members of the opposite sex, for DH in 1996 if he wanted a family he needed to marry a woman. He says there was an epiphany when he realised he needed to settle down. Stop dicking about with ONS with either sex and find someone to start a family with. He said he got bored of getting pissed and going out every Friday and Saturday and wanted something meaningful and children like his peers had.

accessorizequeen · 07/03/2021 12:14

@nauticant

Why would a man who presents in a feminine way somehow suddenly become less attractive? There's nothing inherent to nature that says a man dressed in lingerie should be off putting, it's cultural, we learned it and I suspect it a large part of where transphobia comes from - much the same people a lot of people once felt repulsion when they saw same sex people being affectionate (and some still do).

Hooray, we've got our very own poster on the thread who is going to explain why certain women's sexual preferences are wrong. This could actually serve as a real-time justification of why #superstraight is needed and is proving immensely popular.

Surely I am mistaken but this post from jj - sounds an awful lot like telling us what we have to find attractive?
nauticant · 07/03/2021 12:17

I hope you realise Fucket that most likely everyone on this thread thinks your husband should be allowed to do whatever he wants so long as he's not hurting others, and the questions you're getting is just curiosity.

oxalisRed · 07/03/2021 12:17

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

A bunch of homophobic straight men being so disgusted by the thought of seeming gay that they make up an orientation to verbally exclude trans women

These are YOUR WORDS, Evarish. Your words.

You are saying that heterosexual men who are attracted only to biologically female people are “homophobic” and are “making up” a sexual orientation. You are denying the existence and validity of sexual attraction as the vast, vast majority of people experience it and have always experienced it - based on the SEX of their prospective partners, whether that be opposite sex (hetero), same sex (homo).

Stop with your absolute bullshit about “making up” an orientation. This is what heterosexuality and homosexuality literally mean, FFS. Genuinely heterosexual men are NOT INTERESTED in a partner who has a penis, it is the OPPOSITE of attractive to them. Not because they’re homophobic but because they’re STRAIGHT.

This used to be completely clear. These words had meanings that were commonly understood. Until there was a concerted attempt to change the meanings of fundamental terms into something quite, quite different, an attempt which you clearly support.

And the worst thing about that is that all the arguments re straight men have been being made against lesbians for years now. Lesbians who are equally NOT interested in a partner with a penis because they’re SAME SEX attracted - I suppose you think that’s a “made up” sexual orientation too, do you? FFS - are called “transphobic”, and no longer have a word to describe THEIR, and only their, sexuality because it’s been stolen from them.

Now we have “lesbians” who have biologically male partners; we have “lesbians” who are themselves biologically male - where the fuck does that leave the women who are only attracted to other biological females? It leaves them excluded from the “LGBT community”, it leaves them being attacked for being “transphobic” and pressured to consider biologically male people as partners, it leaves them without a name for THEIR sexual orientation.

It leads to the “progressive” version of corrective rape for young lesbians who are told that they can’t be exclusively same-sex attracted if they want to be part of the LGBTQ+ community, those who are unsupported and vulnerable enough to doubt and suppress their own feelings because they’re being told they’re horrible bigots otherwise, who don’t have the confidence and experience to stand up to this misogynistic juggernaut of a movement and say NO to penis, all penis in all circumstances.

This is what you are promoting. This is how you are contributing to rape culture, and THAT is what is disgusting, truly abhorrent and disgusting and vile, not the fact of me naming it, and calling you out on it.

Now straight men are saying enough, and so they have come up with “superstraight”. Not because it’s a made up orientation - how fucking batshit naive and divorced from reality do you have to be to think that?! Honestly?! - but because the language that unequivocally hetero- and homo-sexual people used to use for their long established sexuality has been stolen from them and corrupted to mean something else, to be meaningless in fact.

And because they’re straight men, they’re largely immune to the kind of abuse that lesbians have been subjected to for having exactly the same feelings over recent years. The fact that men are saying this means it will be heard and accepted a lot more, and it will shine a spotlight on the unacceptable shit that lesbians have had to put up with for years now, and make it harder for the lesbophobes to pull the “transphobic” card on them, so that’s why it’s bloody brilliant to see. That’s why we’re celebrating here. Because this is a place that cares about women. An alien concept to you, no doubt.

So yeah. You steal and corrupt the terms for things that need a specific name, and the people you’ve appropriated them from will have to coin new terms, because whether you like it or not, exclusively single sex attraction, whether it’s opposite sex or same sex, is not going away. And people who experience either one want a word to describe their sexuality, not some wooly assortment of pick n mix leanings.

Hence #superstraight and #superlesbian. You don’t like it, tough. This is the real world. And in the real world, there are two groups of people who don’t want to sexually/romantically interact with a partner with a penis, full stop - always have been and there always will be. Get over it.

Well, Empress, I’ve taken you at your word when you said please don’t stop, Talking. Carry on. That’s a request from a superlesbian. Grin Possibly a bit more than you bargained for Grin Grin

Epic. Thank you @TalkingtoLangClegintheDark 👏👏
nauticant · 07/03/2021 12:18

If you hang around FWR long enough accessorizequeen you'll see that this kind of unintentionally revealing post from jj1968 is a common occurrence.

jj1968 · 07/03/2021 12:18

Hooray, we've got our very own poster on the thread who is going to explain why certain women's sexual preferences are wrong. This could actually serve as a real-time justification of why #superstraight is needed and is proving immensely popular.

Not saying there's anything wrong with it as such, we are all dragged into gender in our own way. But framing any discussion of this as akin to sexual coercion seems reactionary to me. Feminism has long had an analysis of how desires and sexuality are shaped by culture, if it becomes coercive to even talk about why some female bodies are considered attractive and some are not - and what should be done about that could be hugely damaging because it will cut both ways. Men will claim their lack of attraction to women who fail to meet patriarchal beauty standards is their natural sexuality and that no-one has the right to claim their sexual preferences are wrong.

Deliriumoftheendless · 07/03/2021 12:20

@Strikemepink

I wonder whether “I’m a super woman and only recognise biological women as women” would get me anywhere.
Superwomen.

It just means you’re not trans.

Get over it.

I’m happy to call myself a Superwoman.