Superstraight

[Xanthangum]

Superstraight is trending on twitter. No I hadn't either.

Its a subcategory of straight that means that straight people can now be included in the lgbtqi+ categories. Or something. Hooray! Fight for my superstraight rights too Stonewall!. Or something

twitter.com/supa_str8/status/1368003836863000576?s=20

@WoolOfBat

Strike, I think that would be wrong. I think the theory is that all women are women and biological women are super women.

Obviously all single sex protection needs to incorporate only super women due to the fact that it is drafted for biological differences.

Yes I see, all women are women but some are more women than others (super women).

@Fucket What type of TW is your husband attracted to? Those who've had surgery and look like women? With or without a penis? Those who've had no feminising work done but have an inner essence of their woman-ness?

What an awesome thread. Roly/poly 🤣🤣🤣

I was also uncertain whether Fucket was referring to men who identify as being women or women who identify as being men.

talkingtolangcleginthedark
Post of the century!! Brava! I’m keeping that in my notes to use in the future, it’s so good!

I’ve got myself all confused with the diagrams now... the thing is, if you are a heterosexual woman, you could be sexually attracted to a trans man (I.e. someone who is biologically female but presents as a man) if you thought they were male. But then go on a few dates and discover they are in fact a biological woman.

For me, at that point, I wouldn’t be attracted to them anymore because I’m heterosexual???

Shouldn’t one of those diagrams link a man on the left with a woman and a trans man on the right? (Because a trans man is a biological woman).. but, thinking about it, it depends on whether they have had surgery or not...

And a woman symbol on the left be linked to the male symbol on the right and the trans flag woman on the right (because they are actually biologically male)??

Personally, I am quite partial to a man in eyeliner but if I went on a date with someone I perceived to be a male wearing eyeliner and they told me they were in fact a woman and I was really a lesbian, I would no longer be attracted to that person. But that would be on philosophical grounds, rather than sexual..

I see it took only 24 hours for death threats to be actually delivered to a real person in real life. And how interesting that they yet again were made to a woman and not the male person who invented the concept.

And we're still seeing people throw the word 'Nazi' casually around with immense casual disrespect for the millions of people who died under unimaginable circumstances so distanced from reality now that almost everyone alive has only ever seen it on tv. But applying it to those who state personal boundaries. Not to those who actually go and threaten to kill someone's mum for having a son who has annoyed them.

The actions speak a great deal louder than words, and I keep thinking of Debbie Hayton's wise comment in the Times a few weeks ago.

Some people don't find trans people attractive per se because they find the gender presentation off-putting everythingthelighttouches. Look in the transwidows threads to see what often happens to a woman's view of the attractiveness of her male partner when he starts dressing as a woman, and particularly takes women's underwear into the bedroom.

It's a hierarchy of attraction. At the base is: does their sex match my sexual preference. Above that there are then about a million tick boxes that we all have of things that, without the tick, would make the prospect partner a "no". Which is as it should be.

Straight men are not having it though.

I saw a Muslim lesbian woman making a comment on how she was in tears as she got more support for her “superlesbians” stance from “superstraight” men that she ever had received from “her” LBGT community.

She had expected zero support from her family, she had higher expectations on LBGT.

Yes I see, all women are women but some are more women than others

I agree that there are tactless aspects to this. But the reality is that there is a key difference between women and transwomen, it is pointless to pretend that there isn't, and it is unfair, unrealistic and disrespectful to require all non trans people to give up being allowed to have sexual preferences based on biology because it 'excludes' those whose sex is not within the orientation of the person. This has led to situations like the cotton ceiling seminars and well known activists stating on radio 4 ffs that lesbians should 'learn to cope' with heterosexual sex because it is within the need of the transwoman for them to do so.

The right to wave your arm around ends at someone else's nose. If you insist on making contact with their nose because it is bigoted of them to mind, then you can't really blame them for getting annoyed and making their boundaries a great deal clearer to you. There's an old fashioned term that goes 'driven to the discourtesy'.

Before anyone asks, of course a trans person doesn't have to adopt the gender presentation of their "target gender" and they can be one of the types who, for example, maintain a male gender expression but make clear they have some kind of feminine gendered soul. Unsurprisingly a lot of people also find that off-putting.

Homosexuals never demanded that straight people sleep with them or else they would be homophobic.

Presumably because they had the common sense to recognise that sexual activity is more enjoyable if both partners are genuinely sexually attracted to one another.

I thought someone like James Lindsay would have been behind this - not just taking the piss but using activists' own censorious language to do so - but no. Kudos to that 16 year old!

It does go to show that if you're so rigid and unbending in your beliefs that you try to enforce on society at large that you can't take any ribbing / mockery dire ted at said beliefs then, eventually, you're bound to fall.

It turns out that David Paisley is spreading (probably not superspreading) disinformation to paint GC people as being aligned with Nazis. I'd imagine you're all as surprised as I was by this.

That really is the most surprising thing I've heard all morning. I couldn't be more astonished.

For people not understanding why they are blocked: I imagine he uses some sort of blocklist.

Posts like the one from Talking shows why we have so much traffic to this board. There isn't a counter argument to it.**

Thanks nauticant
“It's a hierarchy of attraction. At the base is: does their sex match my sexual preference. Above that there are then about a million tick boxes that we all have of things that, without the tick, would make the prospect partner a "no". Which is as it should be.”

If it’s a hierarchy with sex at the bottom, wouldn’t that diagram be as I described? I.e. man links to woman and trans man, woman links to man and trans woman???

“... maintain a male gender expression but make clear they have some kind of feminine gendered soul. Unsurprisingly a lot of people also find that off-putting.”

Absolutely. This would put me off on a basis unrelated to sex, but as you describe, one of the infinite tick boxes that we all have in our preferences. (Although, I have to say, it’s a pretty bloody big tick box for me).

This is gonna sound really weird, but I’m superbisexual

It doesn't. Just because you are attracted to both sexes you don't have to be attracted to everyone.

The usual suspects are also leaving bad reviews on the 16 yr old's mum's business as well as threatening to kill her

Others are blaming "t€rfs" for inventing #superstraight - cherchez la femme every time!

That's knocked David Paisley off the top spot of the least surprising thing this morning, although I suppose it includes him.

I bet many of them are doing that thing where they claim later that 16 year old straight boys can also count as TERFs because it just means transphobes.

If it’s a hierarchy with sex at the bottom, wouldn’t that diagram be as I described?

No, because as defined #superstraight refers to people who are attracted to others who meet the following requirements:
a) are the opposite sex; and
b) are "cis" in the sense of not being trans.

What you're talking about is someone being straight which is a) only. #superstraight also requires b).

Trans activists are saying #superstraight is not a valid sexual orientation. While also saying that to not accept the validity of anyone is akin to killing them. What's happening here is that gender critical people have found a form of argumentation that is compatible with how trans activists argue to validate their own sexual preferences. The only answer trans activists have is to say that certain groups of people are not entitled to their own sexual preferences. But for once they're saying it in front of a wide audience of all different kinds of people including men.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Yes I see, all women are women but some are more women than others

I agree that there are tactless aspects to this. But the reality is that there is a key difference between women and transwomen, it is pointless to pretend that there isn't, and it is unfair, unrealistic and disrespectful to require all non trans people to give up being allowed to have sexual preferences based on biology because it 'excludes' those whose sex is not within the orientation of the person. This has led to situations like the cotton ceiling seminars and well known activists stating on radio 4 ffs that lesbians should 'learn to cope' with heterosexual sex because it is within the need of the transwoman for them to do so.

The right to wave your arm around ends at someone else's nose. If you insist on making contact with their nose because it is bigoted of them to mind, then you can't really blame them for getting annoyed and making their boundaries a great deal clearer to you. There's an old fashioned term that goes 'driven to the discourtesy'.

Don’t get me wrong, I do agree, I was making a response in line with the super straight theory 🤨

Standing ovation for@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark's post yesterday. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@WarOnWomen

Standing ovation for@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark's post yesterday. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Absolutely. Brava!

Don’t get me wrong, I do agree, I was making a response in line with the super straight theory

I see! Please don't confuse my confusion with super disrespect. I try to advocate for everyone's equal right to choice and expression.

I hope the teenage boy and family are going to be okay. Horrible that they are getting death threats.

Glad to see though at least some of the trans community and allies on Twitter are condemning the death threats.

@yetanotherusernameAgain and others who have asked about DH. He tells me he first realised when he saw Boy George as a teenager, but also page 3 girls. Never has he ever felt attracted to men presenting as straight. Then as DH ended up in the merchant navy, well things are a bit liberal sometimes after the booze is flowing. Especially with men from other cultures who aren’t so judgemental. Once that door was opened and realising a lot of blind eyes get turned and sometimes antics in ports are openly discussed, you realise it’s certainly not anything new and has been going on since men have been going to sea in ships!

But he’s been ashore quite sometime now, nearly 35 years and although he has dated trans women, probably weren’t called that back in the 1990s. It was never open to his family, colleagues etc about it. It wasn’t as acceptable as it is now.

I don’t even know if trans women is the right term, but anyway men dressed as women, he has also since been married to two women and has 4 kids.

I’ve never really been one to judge, having been at sea I know there are many men who will say they are absolutely straight and married with kids and that having ‘flings’ with men/ladyboys/trans women. sorry I’m not sure what the right terms here are, they would not view this as anything other than being straight because to be crude about it, they were the ‘men’. But as DH never had a problem with who put what where, he couldn’t really put himself in that category.

He didn’t stay at sea for very long though, and he’s dabbled when in between marriages. It never bothered me, and still doesn’t.

I’ve asked him if he’d go back to dating trans women again, and he has bluntly said, possibly but he doesn’t think his prostate could stand it. it’s all a bit delicate in that dept.

For all your #superstraight #supergay #superlesbian #superbi needs the r/SuperStraight sub reddit is on fire and could well be snuffed out when the trans activists go after reddit over this:

www.reddit.com/r/SuperStraight/comments/lzfco3/superphobes_literally_want_us_dead_because_they/?sort=old