What's wrong with 'Cisgender'

[ASugar]

As someone who identifies as a cisgender woman and works in sexual health, I am honestly confused as to why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Now I'm not here to tell you what to say, I am genuinely curious.

However, here is my opinion for those who may be interested.

Cisgender just means you are not transgender. That your sex links you your gender and you assign any gender terms (ie. Pronouns, Gender identity, sometimes gender expression but not always, etc). I personally don't like to think that just because I was born with a vagina means I am a woman because I know many men with vaginas and women with penises. Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I understand that the term 'Cis' has been used to insult others which for that I am sorry.
My view is that if you can't allow trans women to be accepted in society and identified as women (without the need for 'trans' infront of it constantly) then we should be using cisgender. It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize. But I understand that is just my opinion.

I probably won't be commenting as I can imagine this will be filled with comments and I don't want to disrespect anyone's views. Just a cisgender woman who wants to understand more...

And as always I would appreciate if you respect my view as I'm going to be respecting all of yours.

Incorrect. I know men who are female

Again starting with "incorrect" and then following up with falsehoods.

😅😂😂😂 this is getting fucking silly now. What a shame for you OP.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

fuck me another thread?

this OP is like an attention vampire

OP Is gender genetic/biological then in your opinion?

ASugar, as a disabled person, how do you feel about the SNP allowing people to self identify as disabled in other to get places on candidate lists which were reserved for disabled people? In other words, self identifying into a category they do not belong in for personal gain

You know men who are female?

Or You know men who identify as female?

One is impossible. One isnt.

"But I will listen to them about who they are."

Unless they're women who say they're women? No qualifier needed?

@ASugar

This is the feminist board. The women here put the rights of women first. We centre women.

And I'm not being funny, at all, particularly about what constitutes sex, and why feminism is for women, but you might well find a softer landing on the LGBT boards. There is one for parents, and one for children. They both have experiences which, from what you have said, may be relevant.

Just search here on LGBT.

@MindYourLanguage

OP Is gender genetic/biological then in your opinion?

Gender is not biological. It may be for some who assign their gender with their sex. However it isn't for everyone. It's kind of like mums. Some people identify their mum as being their birth mother. Others don't.

Well people don't have to know I'm female. I am a woman regardless of my sex.

Well if you are a biological woman then you are indeed a woman: adult human female. If you are a born male, identifying as a woman, you are in actual fact a transwomen. Although seeing as you have said you are not transgender, and you identify as female, it's a somewhat convoluted way of saying you are in actual fact a woman.

[quote Datun]@ASugar

This is the feminist board. The women here put the rights of women first. We centre women.

And I'm not being funny, at all, particularly about what constitutes sex, and why feminism is for women, but you might well find a softer landing on the LGBT boards. There is one for parents, and one for children. They both have experiences which, from what you have said, may be relevant.

Just search here on LGBT.[/quote]
And transgender rights is a part of women's rights which is why its important to discuss.

@Erkrie

Well people don't have to know I'm female. I am a woman regardless of my sex.

Well if you are a biological woman then you are indeed a woman: adult human female. If you are a born male, identifying as a woman, you are in actual fact a transwomen. Although seeing as you have said you are not transgender, and you identify as female, it's a somewhat convoluted way of saying you are in actual fact a woman.

It doesn't matter what I was born as. Where I was born. Who have birth to me. None of that matters.

I am a woman.

Female is XX op

Or do you not agree with this?

@SheldonesqueIsUnwell

You know men who are female?

Or You know men who identify as female?

One is impossible. One isnt.

No my brother was born female. However he isn't a woman. He is a man. He doesn't even like identifying as transgender. He prefers to just be known and identified as a man which he has the right to.

@MarshaBradyo

Female is XX op

Or do you not agree with this?

Female sex is. Being a woman in terms of gender isn't.

@NigellaSeed

Some of you (not all of you) clearly don't recognize transwomen as women. So you're are transphobic. That is toxic. How can you not see that some women are born into the wrong body, they are a woman, but with male genitals etc etc .

Get over your selves

How can someone be born in the “wrong body”?

This is beginning to feel like trying to access some special occult knowledge that only a certain elite have access to, and is not for the likes of us to discuss, even though we're part of the conversation.

It also reminds me of those occasions when someone is offended because you have apparently harmed and slighted them without intention, but you don't know what it is, and they won't tell you because you ought to know! So you can never make amends and always feel beholden to them in some way.

Some people identify their mum as being their birth mother. Others don't.

Even if they don't, it doesn't take away the measurable fact that a birth mother is exactly that: a birth mother. Changing words do not change facts.

And transgender rights is a part of women's rights which is why its important to discuss.

Females yes, males no.

Unless you can think of a reason why male born individuals, need the sex-based rights of females.

How would making changes to the sex characteristics of a persons body help with gender dysphoria - and excuse my ignorance, wouldn't that be sex dysphoria (is that even a thing?)

@NigellaSeed

Some of you (not all of you) clearly don't recognize transwomen as women. So you're are transphobic. That is toxic. How can you not see that some women are born into the wrong body, they are a woman, but with male genitals etc etc .

Get over your selves

This is surely a joke? Though I fear not.

@Erkrie

Some people identify their mum as being their birth mother. Others don't.

Even if they don't, it doesn't take away the measurable fact that a birth mother is exactly that: a birth mother. Changing words do not change facts.

It doesn't mean they are a birth mother or haven't given birth to a child. However that doesn't mean they are a mother. I don't have a mother.

@Cokie3

Ok, I've given it enough time before first asking it, then asking it again, and I see she's replied to people after me.

Anyone notices she refuses to answer my question on Transracial Persons? Any reason you refuse to answer, @ASugar ? Are you consulting the head MRAs and TRAs on twitter for an answer? Cat got your tongue?

Once again, we have and MRA and TRA person who ignores posts when the questions get too tough. What's the matter? If you believe in your cause, you will answer.
NB Not that I ever expected an answer, they NEVER answer. Because they can't if they haven't been trained with the cult talking points.

Sorry for not answering sooner. I do not agree with the idea people can be transracial. That's all I really have to say on that topic.

It doesn't matter what I was born as. Where I was born. Who have birth to me. None of that matters.

Sorry, OP, Is it you who is trans? Or your brother? Or both?