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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What's wrong with 'Cisgender'

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ASugar · 04/03/2021 15:49

As someone who identifies as a cisgender woman and works in sexual health, I am honestly confused as to why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Now I'm not here to tell you what to say, I am genuinely curious.

However, here is my opinion for those who may be interested.

Cisgender just means you are not transgender. That your sex links you your gender and you assign any gender terms (ie. Pronouns, Gender identity, sometimes gender expression but not always, etc). I personally don't like to think that just because I was born with a vagina means I am a woman because I know many men with vaginas and women with penises. Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I understand that the term 'Cis' has been used to insult others which for that I am sorry.
My view is that if you can't allow trans women to be accepted in society and identified as women (without the need for 'trans' infront of it constantly) then we should be using cisgender. It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize. But I understand that is just my opinion.

I probably won't be commenting as I can imagine this will be filled with comments and I don't want to disrespect anyone's views. Just a cisgender woman who wants to understand more...

And as always I would appreciate if you respect my view as I'm going to be respecting all of yours.

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ErrolTheDragon · 04/03/2021 19:23

Well then women must not mean adult human female if you believe that because not all females are women. Some are men.

Nonsense. They can choose to opt out and be transmen but 'man ' means adult human male, and humans can't change sex.

ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:23

@prrtnyao

OP states:

not all females are women. Some are men.

I feel sorry for you OP. I hope like a PP you look back on this one day and cringe.

I mean you can go tell my brother he is a woman if you want but you'd look pretty silly doing so.
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MarshaBradyo · 04/03/2021 19:23

not all females are women. Some are men.

No this is just wrong. Like saying day is night.

ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:24

@ErrolTheDragon

Well then women must not mean adult human female if you believe that because not all females are women. Some are men.

Nonsense. They can choose to opt out and be transmen but 'man ' means adult human male, and humans can't change sex.

Never said anyone could change sex. But you can change your gender. And some people who are born female aren't women.
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ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:24

@MarshaBradyo

not all females are women. Some are men.

No this is just wrong. Like saying day is night.

Incorrect. I know men who are female.
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PermanentTemporary · 04/03/2021 19:24

'Some are men'
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 04/03/2021 19:24

@ASugar No incorrect. If they identify as a boy/man then that is who they are.

What else can we apply this reasoning to?
If I, a female, can identify as a man:
Can I, at 5'2", identify as 6'4"?
Can I, a Caucasian British National of Irish extraction, identify as Pakistani?

MindYourLanguage · 04/03/2021 19:25

Whatever body you are born into is your body and it shouldn't ever be labelled as 'wrong.'

Ted27 · 04/03/2021 19:25

@ASugar

a mother is a simply a female parent, biological/birth mother, step mother or adoptive mother

I am an adoptive mother, I don’t need to ‘identify’ as a mother, because I am one, I am also a woman, no cis required.

MarshaBradyo · 04/03/2021 19:25

It’s hard to converse with you op.

You don’t.

GertiMJN · 04/03/2021 19:25

Well then women must not mean adult human female if you believe that because not all females are women. Some are men.

Define female and define woman and man in a way that makes sense of what you have written.

Datun · 04/03/2021 19:25

I mean you can go tell my brother he is a woman if you want but you'd look pretty silly doing so.

Ahh.

But I have to ask, what makes your brother male?

MarshaBradyo · 04/03/2021 19:25

Female is XX so have they changed chromosomes op?

ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:25

[quote TeenyTinyDustinHoffman]**@ASugar No incorrect. If they identify as a boy/man then that is who they are.

What else can we apply this reasoning to?
If I, a female, can identify as a man:
Can I, at 5'2", identify as 6'4"?
Can I, a Caucasian British National of Irish extraction, identify as Pakistani?[/quote]
You can identify as a man however you can't for the other two.

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prrtnyao · 04/03/2021 19:25

As someone who has grown up in the Deaf community you are clearly ignorant.

Being deaf is a disability.

Do a little research and find out why Deaf people (note the capital D) do not consider themselves disabled, and think this is offensive. They consider themselves a linguistic minority who have been historically oppressed by hearing people.

emilyfrost · 04/03/2021 19:25

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ErrolTheDragon · 04/03/2021 19:25

Nope. Woman is a term relating to the female sex. Invent a new one relating to 'gender' for those that want one.

saffire · 04/03/2021 19:26

Cis woman is offensive to me. I am a woman, any attempts to call me a cis woman is misgendering me which can be considered a hate crime.

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Mockolate · 04/03/2021 19:26

Nope, being a woman means I’m not transgender

?

That doesn't make sense because how do you explain that there are trans men then (ie, were born female?)
Are you saying that if you're born female you can't be transgender?

ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:26

@MindYourLanguage

Whatever body you are born into is your body and it shouldn't ever be labelled as 'wrong.'
My brothers body isn't wrong. It just isn't right for him and he has the right to change it and be who he is.
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emilyfrost · 04/03/2021 19:26

Incorrect. I know men who are female.

No you don’t 🤣

vimtosogood · 04/03/2021 19:26

Why not OP? Who are you to assume someone is one thing or another based on physical traits?

ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:26

@Mockolate

Nope, being a woman means I’m not transgender

?

That doesn't make sense because how do you explain that there are trans men then (ie, were born female?)
Are you saying that if you're born female you can't be transgender?

You can be born female and be transgender. You can be born male and be transgender.
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ASugar · 04/03/2021 19:27

@vimtosogood

Why not OP? Who are you to assume someone is one thing or another based on physical traits?
Never mentioned physically traits. But I will listen to them about who they are.
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