What's wrong with 'Cisgender'

[ASugar]

As someone who identifies as a cisgender woman and works in sexual health, I am honestly confused as to why so many females (sex term) who identify with being women (gender term) dislike the term Cisgender?

Now I'm not here to tell you what to say, I am genuinely curious.

However, here is my opinion for those who may be interested.

Cisgender just means you are not transgender. That your sex links you your gender and you assign any gender terms (ie. Pronouns, Gender identity, sometimes gender expression but not always, etc). I personally don't like to think that just because I was born with a vagina means I am a woman because I know many men with vaginas and women with penises. Additionally those who don't have a gender identity, then that would mean you wouldn't use women and men as they're gender terms (according to medical professionals). It would make you non binary or agender.

I understand that the term 'Cis' has been used to insult others which for that I am sorry.
My view is that if you can't allow trans women to be accepted in society and identified as women (without the need for 'trans' infront of it constantly) then we should be using cisgender. It is a medical term that professionals such as the NHS recognize. But I understand that is just my opinion.

I probably won't be commenting as I can imagine this will be filled with comments and I don't want to disrespect anyone's views. Just a cisgender woman who wants to understand more...

And as always I would appreciate if you respect my view as I'm going to be respecting all of yours.

Spot on Tinsel

@Datun

I am not transgender so I can't confirm this however that isn't a compromise. That is who they are. However if they want to refer to themselves as women without having to state they are trans women, they have the same right as we do to do so.

Of course. And others have the right to say what definition are you using? What's your criteria? What do you mean??

Actually legally that isn't correct. Misgendering and questioning someone's gender (depending on how it is done) can be illegal.

@NigellaSeed

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

I could go on

Yes white men have the most privalege. Yes FGM is an abomination. That doesn't mean that ciswomen don't have more privalege than others.

I think this thread is so toxic.

Someone who agrees with much of what you posted started this thread so perhaps you should have a word with them.

Do you have any evidence of transgender people having the highest rate of being murdered?

Sometimes I see this kind of worrying statement being made but I've never seen any statistics.

How do you define woman? I never know if I identify as one as no one has ever given a definition (other than "adult human female which you reject). How do I know if I am trans or cis if there is no definition of what it is to be a woman?

@NigellaSeed

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

I could go on

Yes white men have the most privalege. Yes FGM is an abomination. That doesn't mean that ciswomen don't have more privalege than others.

I think this thread is so toxic.

Can you evidence any of your statements? It seems like you are using hyperbole and outright fabrications for emotional blackmail

@NigellaSeed

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

I could go on

Yes white men have the most privalege. Yes FGM is an abomination. That doesn't mean that ciswomen don't have more privalege than others.

I think this thread is so toxic.

Women are murdered at the rate of three a week in the UK.

Trans gender murders are approx one a year in the UK.

@TheDogsMother

Why do we never hear of Cis-men ?

THIS x a few hundred billion.

I am a woman. An adult human female. 'Gender' seems now to be being used as a bullying tool, making me want to behave like a child shouting SEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEXSEX

@NigellaSeed

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

I could go on

Yes white men have the most privalege. Yes FGM is an abomination. That doesn't mean that ciswomen don't have more privalege than others.

I think this thread is so toxic.

That is absolute lies. At least 2 women a day are murdered. There are no true stats that back up the trans LIE that they have the 'highest rate of being murdered'. You cannot just make up lies like that on the spot.

Yes, this thread is toxic, being the amount of MRA hatred against women on here is a disgrace. Imagine how the suffragettes and our foresisters would feel reading this MRA misgynistic female reductionist nonsense. Some people are so brainwashed they cannot see the harm they are contributing to. And how they will have to front their daughters and granddaughters and explain to them how they fought on the side of men and erase their very identity and safe spaces. I am proud that won't be me, as I will/am be on the right side of history.

Actually legally that isn't correct. Misgendering and questioning someone's gender (depending on how it is done) can be illegal.

Your 'Depending on how it's done', is doing some very heavy lifting there.

Correctly sexing an individual is not illegal. Otherwise doctors would be fucked

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered.

Please do post a link to this information as to my knowledge in the UK 2020 at least, the number of transpeople to be murdered was 0. I am more than happy to be corrected.

Toxic. Women explaining logically and pretty respectfully why they reject a term being imposed upon them by another section of society because it does not reflect their lived experience, feelings or preferences is toxic.

T'was ever thus.

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered

I won't speak for other countries, but in the UK that simply is not true.

@jellyfrizz

Cisgender just means you are not transgender.

So binary!

Yes why must women be identified in relation to tran-women. Are we not a thing in our own right?

@ASugar

Many people have stated that they don't agree or believe in gender. Although I disagree I can respect that decision. An additional question I'd like to ask is then why do we have to know the gender of our child? Shop in stores where clothes are described by gender? Etc.

Also, why do you call yourself a woman if the term technically is a gender term. By the way, scientists and medical professionals have determined this.

Would you please stop conflating the term 'sex" and 'gender' please. They are mutually exclusive and cannot be used interchangably in a discussion where definition is important.

What is commonly known as a 'gender reveal' party is more accurately and specifically described as a 'sex reveal' party, and I suspect that they are called 'gender reveals' only because 'gender' is a softer and less socially shocking, though technically inaccurate, substitute for 'sex'

Hold the phone

However if they want to refer to themselves as women without having to state they are trans women, they have the same right as we do to do so.

Then why should women accept the term "ciswoman" ?

if they want to refer to themselves as women without having to state they are trans women, they have the same right as we do to do so

Indeed they do - freedom of expression.

Just as others have freedom of expression to disagree that ‘trans women are women’.

It only matters when the law and legal basis for exceptions and safeguards starts to be eroded by language becoming inaccurate and useless.

Misgendering and questioning someone's gender (depending on how it is done) can be illegal.

So calling someone 'cis' when they don't identify as one is misgendering and is therefore illegal. Hereth endeth the point of the thread.

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered.

Untrue. Actually, a murder victim in the U.K. is statistically more likely to have been killed by a trans person than to be one. These are small numbers we are dealing with.

2007-current

Murders by trans people - 13
Murdered trans people - 8

Hereth endeth the point of the thread.

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Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

Is there some recent statistics that we are unaware of? Are you talking about the UK? I believe that not one trans person has been murder in the UK in the past 12 months.

And transpeople should be accepted without discrimination except when it negatively impacts on women and children and their safety.

Denial of these impacts of one group’s rights on another’s is harmful to women and children.

@TheRealMcKenna

Personally, I think there’s something deeply troubling and dishonest going on with those people who have so much empathy with trans people’s pain at being misgendered but just cannot respect others’ wish to not be referred to as cis.

It’s almost as if you want to cause as much offence as possible and still claim to be the ‘inclusive’ ones.

I think it’s like when people used to come on and deliberately get people’s names wrong as some kind of ‘see how it feels to be addressed in a way that’s not right for you’ point that just really proves that they don’t understand how little it actually matters in comparison to the stuff that happens because of your sex.

Well, it's inaccurate for a start. I don't have a gender identity to correspond with my sex. Secondly, some people find it offensive.
Also, woman isn't a "gender" it's a noun which defines species, sex & maturity.

ASugar thats how I know youre lying.

I have had a transboy come tell me he is bleeding. Wont use the word period.

Do you really think I, or anyone in a school, would humiliate that child by contacting parents to remove them from school to see a Doctor, rather than just pass them a pad?

Sex matters.

@NigellaSeed

Transgender people have the highest rate of being murdered. Being transgender is still not accepted in all corners of society - not even in Britain, being homosexual was illegal 50 years ago and still is in many parts of the world

I could go on

Yes white men have the most privalege. Yes FGM is an abomination. That doesn't mean that ciswomen don't have more privalege than others.

I think this thread is so toxic.

So now we're just blatantly lying? Well I suppose if you can lie and say that a man can be a woman, you can lie and play fast and loose inventing statistics.

Non operation transitioned transwomen are more likely to murder women than be a victim.

It's the testosterone.