[quote DadJoke]@Asugar Mumsnet Women's Rights forum is a hotbed of gender critical feminists who are still waiting for the third and fourth wave of intersectional feminism to carry them towards the shore. They don't believe that gender identity is something that's been accepted and studied by the scientific and medical establishment. When someone here says "they don't have a gender identity" they don't mean they are no-binary or agender, they literally believe that it doesn't exist. Because of this, they find "cisgender" a term used in more than 30,000 uncontroversial scientific papers offensive, the offensive being that it acknowledges that gender identity is real and trans women are women, as if it makes them somehow less of a someone.
They are in the same camp as the religious right and quote articles from right wing papers disparaging transgender people. They patronise trans men by saying "you're one of us, really." When discussing the danger of trans women as a class, they rely on anecdotes, not the evidence that trans women are not a danger as a class to cis women as a class.
A huge proportion of the threads here are directed at trans women rather than the primary sources of female oppression.
The prevelance of gender critical feminists in the UK is not reflected in Ireland, the States or most of Europe. They lovingly quote Germaine Greer who once said that transwomen "‘ghastly parodies’ of women" and Bindell who said "I don't have a problem with men disposing of their genitals, but it does not make them women, in the same way that shoving a bit of vacuum hose down your 501s does not make you a man." The thing is, most of the posters here would agree with the sentiment, if not the wording of those quotes.
For an overview from an American perspective of why gender critical feminists have such a big platform here but not say in Ireland, read this article. CW: contains the T-word.[/quote]
You want to talk about Ireland and women's position. Anything to say on the brutalisation of women and children by a previous men centred ideology? Or how the small enquiry into part of it is being handled by a practically 80% male Dáil? How this so progressive men's parliament has treated the Survivors? How there seems to be attempts to get rid of the evidence of past wrongs committed on women by the Church and State. Today's men heaping hurt upon Irish women, on top of the hurt caused by the previous generations of men. Why should we think there is respect afforded women in relation to this issue? This new imported Ideology from the US via Yogyakarta which was quietly introduced in by a practically 80% male Dáil, without the general public's knowledge, never mind approval. The Irish state has a record of acting atrociously towards women and girls in the name of ideology. In a country where Savita was left to die in a hospital less than a decade ago. Don't give me your nonsense.
It is only becoming apparent to Irish women what the consequences are; what with two sex offenders and a violent thug incarcerated amongst the women prisoners. Another clue with the dreadful letter that the self-serving, career activists signed to try and kibosh people who 'defending their biology'. Particular pot shot at women who defend their rights. They must look in envy at the past where the merest County Manager of a male could have women incarcerated on his say so. Just to show that Irish men who only centre their own rights in a male centred ideology are not necessarily friends or allies to Irish women.
Funnily enough, the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Ireland was roughly three decades behind the UK. Would you have said that Ireland shouldn't be importing those rights either? Because the Oireachtas was influenced by the Ideology we had at the time.
I think it is fabulous what the women in the UK are trying withstand this assault on their right to parity of esteem. Many Irish women think likewise. It is a source of succour and hope, and a reminder that universal human rights are universal. Even women's! Hopefully, the empowerment of Irish women in their own state won't take as long as the three decades lag behind the UK that it took for the decriminalisation of homosexuality. Of course, Irish women were treated worse than British women, even this very decade as the 80% male Dáil didn't protect sex as a characteristic in Irish law. I don't think women or their rights were very high on these men's agenda.
Reminds me that I have to subscribe to the many grassroots Organisation which have been set up by Irish women. I only signed up to two.
I remember an incident where some North American fellow who attacked an Irish woman online with some vitriolic and fairly nasty invective. Maybe she was doxxed by him. She was was pointing out that a sex offender was housed in prison amongst Irish women. There may be more than one of these N.American peeps actively subjecting Irish women to online vitriol. Strangely, I don't think Irish men stepped in to hush their bro who was attacking an Irish woman.