Trans rights are a part of women's rights

[ASugar]

Trans people don't negatively affect women's rights. They are a part of the women's rights. Both trans men and trans women experience oppression based on being female/a woman.

As for teaching children that sexuality and gender identity is the same, my understanding is that since September 2020 this is no longer allowed. Ergo educators would therefore not be allowed to teach transgirls they are lesbians.

Are you saying this is not your understanding op?

You do not need to be biologically female to be a woman.

Incorrect, that's what the word means. Still. Woman: adult human female.
No ones ever come up with a coherent, non circular alternative.

[quote ASugar]@EdgeOfACoin commonly a woman is someone who is born female as assigns themselves to being female, however you can be born female and not identify with being a woman and you can be born male and identify with being a woman.

A woman is someone with she/her pronouns and who identifies themself with the female sex.[/quote]
This doesn't sound correct to me.

According to the dictionary definition and the use of the word historically in law, a women is an adult human female. Nothing about identifying with the female sex.

And to answer your original question... which I'm sure you know the answer to .... how can single sex spaces and protections be preserved for women (dictionary definition) only if trans rights are included in women's rights?
And how can the particular needs of trans people be addressed if they are not treated as a separate category from women?

[quote ASugar]@acatcalledjohn Incorrect. You do not need to be biologically female to be a woman.[/quote]

Oh, so not someone who identifies with the female sex then?

You're contradicting yourself.

My brain isn't inherently female. I am much hairier than the average female. I don't follow all the sexist stereotypes that come with being a woman. But I have a female reproductive system. The last bit, and only that, makes a woman.

The rest is a regressive stereotyping.

[quote ASugar]@acatcalledjohn Incorrect. You do not need to be biologically female to be a woman.[/quote]
Yes you do.

[quote ASugar]@EdgeOfACoin commonly a woman is someone who is born female as assigns themselves to being female, however you can be born female and not identify with being a woman and you can be born male and identify with being a woman.

A woman is someone with she/her pronouns and who identifies themself with the female sex.[/quote]
So if I ask people today to use 'he / him pronouns' and identify with the male sex, that's it? I'm literally a man?

And if tomorrow I use she / her pronouns and identity as a woman, I'm literally a woman?

Next I will ask how does one 'identify' as anything, rather than just 'being' something. For instance, do I 'identify' as having a certain age or eye colour or are they objective, immutable characteristics?

By the way OP. I and many others who participate on this board, include transmen in our push to protect women and girl's against sexist discrimination and oppression based on their sexed bodies. Because we centre females in our feminism.

Hardly exclusionary of 'trans' people, it is exclusionary of males though.

Women’s rights are sex based. The subjugation, enslavement and aborting of female foetuses had & has absolutely nothing to do with how they identify or feel.

Stay out of our sex segregated areas, sports and reserved positions. Leave our words alone. We are women. We breastfeed.

Gosh OP, did you learn nothing from the other thread?

Trans people don't negatively affect women's rights. They are a part of the women's rights. Both trans men and trans women experience oppression based on being female/a woman.

It is really very simple. Are womens rights based on being the female sex or are womens rights based on gender?

I think your standpoint is that they are based on gender as they can be claimed by both those of the male sex as those of the female sex. So in your opinion rights based on sex don't exist. This also makes womens rights rights for everyone and not just adult human females. Thereby demonstrating womens rights are obliterated by transrights.

Now waiting for the follow up argument that womens rights never existed in the first place...

[quote ASugar]@EdgeOfACoin commonly a woman is someone who is born female as assigns themselves to being female, however you can be born female and not identify with being a woman and you can be born male and identify with being a woman.

A woman is someone with she/her pronouns and who identifies themself with the female sex.[/quote]
What if we weren't speaking English?

And no, it's not a case of "well, use the language's equivalent" because all languages have their own structure and not all of them have an equivalent to he or she.

I'm confused. Haven't you misgendered transmen by saying they're female?

Women have come under attack by saying transwomen are male.

Also how do you know what to identify with? I have a female body and just get on with my life being me. What am I?

@ASugar your other thread was closed after you admitted you were not posting in good faith and were here for the screen shots - what has changed in the last hour or so?

Anyway, I have to get to work. I'll check in on this thread a bit later, assuming it is still standing.

FGM?? They don't have female genitals.

@SittingAround1 No because I'm talking about them being born female and being biologically female. Not they they are women because they aren't.

The education will continue until we are all enlightened

The rights of the 7 women sexually assaulted or raped by male bodied prisioners in UK prisons in recent years were pretty negatively affected by trans rights. Their right to a sex segregated environment was overtaken by the rights of their attackers to gender affirmation. They were raped.

The rights of Katie Dolatowski's victims conflicted too. The 10 and 12 year olds involved had the right to a sex segregated space; Katie's accepted right to use facilities by gender rather than sex conflicted with their right to sex segregated facilities - their attacks were allowed by this conflict.

The numbers of women and girls already very obviously suffering these seriously conflicting rights may not be vast, but do exist. To deny this is just stupid. Trans rights are not part of womens rights, they conflict with them.

@Twinkie01 Trans men do.

[quote ASugar]@EdgeOfACoin commonly a woman is someone who is born female as assigns themselves to being female, however you can be born female and not identify with being a woman and you can be born male and identify with being a woman.

A woman is someone with she/her pronouns and who identifies themself with the female sex.[/quote]
I shall give this post the consideration it deserves.