@rozettamodeau
Until today I didn't know anything about Mumsnet being monopolised by a very particular perspective on 'women's rights'. I saw something on Twitter saying 'Mumsnet is transphobic'. I thought that was sad. Mumsnet HQ says it allows 'free speech'. But tbh, coming here I observe that the Feminism chat on Mumsnet is hijacked by a particular perspective that is against trans women legally identifying as women. When someone posts the opposite view, there is no debate, rather they are jumped on by the gang in a provocative and sarcastic tone, all the while pretending that they are discussing and that the OP 'monopolises' the conversation, while it is them who have done so, effectively putting off and kicking out anyone who disagrees with them. Depressing!
Absolutely agree with you pp.
in my line of work we call it ‘professional bullying’ - where you essentially tell someone to ‘f...off’ but it is yet too subtle to be recognised officially. There are people who know exactly what to say and how to navigate and manipulate conversations to avoid being called discriminatory or disrespectful.
You and I and many others pick up on those signals and despite reporting it to MNHQ nothing gets done because the ‘official’ rules are not broken.
How is it ever ok to repeatedly change subject and attempt to derail the discussion (‘ who wants to see my rock collection’ as an answer to someone’s genuine question and similar responses) .
There are the regular people here saying the threads are repetitive, boring, have no valid arguments. Yet the same group of people repeat the SAME two arguments over and over and over on every single discussion:
- Woman is an adult female
- Women are at risk of predatory men attacking them in shared spaces like prisons etc
God forbid the definition of a woman is changed at some point, this group will have to find a new topic to obsess about.
How many posts a day are about the same issue over and over again, yet no one says ‘boring!’ It’s only boring when the argument comes from the opposite side isn’t it?
Imagine if other discussion groups acted in this way , someone posting about their marriage problem and a group of people (always the same group backing each other up) challenged the poster by demanding that ‘you define marriage’ . Define friendship, define everything.
Yes, I understand (as this group always repeats) I can go away and post on other groups if I don’t like it here. The issue is what if I want to be here, say what I think but I don’t want to have to fight through this gang mentality?
Feminism is something different to everyone, you do not own the definition , you DO NOT REPRESENT all feminists, all women.
You do not represent me.
I am a woman and I am so proud of it, I see it as a compliment that other people want to define as women and have no issues with sharing a public restroom with them (as long as people don’t make too much mess;)
Please stop monopolising this place and being condescending.
Stop asking everyone to define everything , people have a right to express their opinion without having to back it up by whatever evidence you demand.
This group is the worst PR feminism can get due to a number of individuals repeatedly refusing to open their minds.