Trans rights don't effect women's rights.

[ASugar]

There is so much misinformation on this website and at places such as 'Fair Play For Women' that claims transgender rights effect women's rights. It is incorrect.

Firstly, nothing has proven that transgender women have the same crime rate as biological, cis men. It isn't biological and actually continuing this false narrative is allowing cis men to not take responsibility.

Secondly, Trans women and men pose no additional threat in prisons linked with their sex. They have been assaulted and abused to the same degree that they may have acted on which is why transgender wards are being put into place. However the issue isn't the fact TW or TM are in prisons assosiated with their gender, our prison systems aren't safe for anyone. That's what we should be concerned about and advocating for change within.

Thirdly, the bathroom debate. Transgender women have shown to pose no higher threat in single sex spaces than cisgender women. Meaning that denying their rights to use public bathrooms is unjustified. This actually is all recycled arguments from when lesbians and women of color wanted to use single sex spaces and wanted protection by the equality act for it.

And lastly, please stop believing everything you read online. A lot of the material made by the gender critical community is false. It is fabricated to scare you into believing them. Please take some time to do some research, speak to transgender people and learn that trans rights are not a debate.

And to those making comments on my grammar and spelling, you can blame my mum for that one

Why your mum? There is still plenty of time to address this, speak to your English teacher when you go back next week.

To sum up

Do feminism as you are told

You are so horrid and mean and nasty

Empress yes. And it comes in handy little individual bars too. Perfect womanly handbag-sized!

Because it is the one topic on here. It is the only thing you discuss. So yeah, a board that talks exclusively about anti trans stuff IS labelled anti trans. There is so much more to feminism than this but none of that stuff is discussed her.

A quick look on the board actually shows many different topics being discussed. Feminists are pretty talented you know whe can think about more than 1 thing at once!

What anti trans stuff is currently been discussed here?

Butter.

This is the second time recently that I've seen a lack of research used as 'proof' of something.

'There has been no research that proves x' [also there has been no research that disproves x] 'therefore x is false'.

We certainly do need more research into things like crime rates and sports advantage, but I suspect the TRAs would resist it and vilify the academic or organisation carrying out the research.

Haha sorry OP, must try harder. What a load of waffle!!! We like facts and data here on FWR, please feel free to evidence any of your assertions. Just one even. Ill wait.........

No I won't blame your mother for your poor grammar. It may have been meant as a pish poor joke, but I'm fed up to the back teeth with women getting blamed for everything, take some responsibility!!

We might need a suspended-animation/stasis machine if we are going to wait for these 'facts'.

Transgender women also deserve that privacy and dignity. That's why we have cubicals as well.

Indeed they do. Which is why I would support their campaign for a separate space for transgender women. Can you point me towards the campaign as I assume there must be one since privacy is important?

You passed the test. I wanted to confirm this was a transphobic platform and you've all done that. In less than 30 minutes might I add!

Er, where is the transphobia? "Not capitulating to what I say" is not transphobia. Grow up. This isn't the students' union where everyone has to chant a mantra. I see that you haven't been able to actually challenge any of so-called "transphobia" (i.e. facts) that people have set out here.

@CrazyNeighbour

No. I teach all young people that their sexuality is there's and it doesn't come with rules. That yes a trans woman can be a lesbian, however that not all lesbians then must find her attractive. And vice versa.

there are plenty of lesbians and women of colour on this board, so kindly don't co-opt our struggles against us.

I imagine OP's next stop is the black MNer threads to tell them off for being so preoccupied with race.

@ASugar

And to those making comments on my grammar and spelling, you can blame my mum for that one 😂

Were you exclusively home educated by your mum then?

@donquixotedelamancha Actually I can blame her because I was abused and was made to care for my siblings so I couldn't attend school as often.

Oh, and yes, blaming your mother for your spelling and grammar? That tells me everything I need to know. Funny how you know what a woman is when it comes to finding someone to blame.

Love that mum gets the blame for shit SPAG

Oh, yes, of course, the mother was abusive. Bad women. Bad.

@ASugar

Well done everyone!

You passed the test. I wanted to confirm this was a transphobic platform and you've all done that. In less than 30 minutes might I add!

This thread and comments will be collected and used to prove to MumsNet that the transphobia on this website is unsettling and wrong. Thanks ladies.

😂😂😂😂 and no doubt reported to Matthew Hopkins

Thank you for making me laugh OP, I expect it’s time to get ready for home schooling now

sexuality is there's and it

*their

*Firstly, there are plenty of lesbians and women of colour on this board, so kindly don't co-opt our struggles against us.

Secondly, gay people and people of colour have never claimed their civil rights by demanding that other vulnerable groups give up rights that they have fought for and that are protected in law. Nor have they demanded that people deny material evidence and say things that they know not to be true.*

OK well "Firstly" you don't know whether or not I fall into either of those categories myself.

Secondly, the point I was making was that people in the past have banned certain groups from hotels, bathrooms and other public spaces, out of fear, discrimination, thoughts that people were dirty, wrong, violent, or whatever other disgusting beliefs they felt could justify those actions.

You could make this exact argument against a person of colour by saying that a person of colour once was violent to someone or once attacked someone. Trans people are a section of society and within that there will be trans people who are criminals, just like there would be if you drew from any other section of society. It will be an extremely small percentage and people get completely fixated on it. Due to their lack of understanding and fear, they then use it as a way to be exclusionary. This exact thing happened in the past with people of colour and gay people who were deemed to be violent and dangerous.

People with penises shouldn’t be in prison with women. It’s as simple as that. I don’t believe trans women are any more likely to commit violent/sex crimes but as many female prisoners have been abused at the hands of men and are extremely vulnerable they must be protected at all costs. Nothing is worth the risk. A third space is necessary.

Hi OP, you’ve made a lot of statements but not backed them up with any facts. That approach won’t get you far on this platform I’m afraid. Nor will saying “nernerner I deliberately started this thread to be a reporty nuisance”

No one is banned from anywhere, simply when it’s appropriate such as in prisons, refuges, changing rooms & public toilets to be in the space that accords to their birth sex

And they call us hysterical....

That yes a trans woman can be a lesbian

So lesbian no longer means female person attracted to people who share the same sex? Is that not homophobic?