Why don't we centre women?

[yeahbutnaw]

This is a feminism board but 99% of the threads are about trans people or gender identity.

What about domestic violence, FGM, the gender pay gap, period poverty, and representation in the workplace?

It seems like this board believes the only threat to women is trans people.

Am I missing something?

It does get a lot of attention, personally I try to bump posts about other topics where possible. That's the best way to tackle it, post what you want to see.

I think maybe you are missing something alright.
Theres a lot going on with policy and law at the minute, even language, which has negative impacts on women.

Single sex spaces, for example, were brought in to mitigate against DV, rape.
Sex specific business and representative initiatives were brought in to deal with the sex pay gap etc.

If they are opened up on a self id basis, you'll have chances who want to take advantage, and a that work will be undone.

Even FGM campaigners get scolded and abused for not being inclusive enough to transpeople even though that horrific abuse is perpetrated because of the body. So they have to fight two battles instead of being supported.

You're right op, it's a terrible state of affairs and so bad for women and girls and their wellbeing.

7Days

It's disappointing that you think the only threat to women is trans people and gender identity.

Yeahbutnah feminism is for females.

Who are females? The current fight is about defining the absolute basics, what word a group of people can use to identify themselves from another group of people, without being accused of hatred.

Its shit, but its where we are.

@yeahbutnaw

7Days

It's disappointing that you think the only threat to women is trans people and gender identity.

That's not what 7Days said. I hope you are actually here because you care about women's rights and not just to post in bad faith?

@yeahbutnaw

7Days

It's disappointing that you think the only threat to women is trans people and gender identity.

Read what I wrote again. If theres a bit you're not clear on I'll happily explain

if the definition of women includes men then there are no women's issues there are only "people issues" so there are no sex women's rights there are only "peoples rights"

sex based!

if the definition of women includes men then there are no women's issues there are only "people issues" so there are no sex women's rights there are only "peoples rights"

This.

Can anyone share a link to Threads where there have been discussions on women's issues that don't involve gender identity?

I'd love to have a read.

Thought experiment .,.the main threat to women probably is no longer being recognised as women

For example , if gender identity is accepted as the meaning of woman that means that treating women differently to men is acceptable , because it's a real brain difference not just pesky biology

It also means that sex based rights disappear so rape , sexual violence and lack of women in public life becomes the norm

And treating none conformity with surgery that leads to sterilisation of those who do not conform

I think you can make a case here

Lazy

Yeahbutnaw happy too, but Im not sure what you mean by the word women.

Different people have different definitions for that word, which do you mean?

Well I think that's answered my question about bad faith.

I haven't had to do spoon feeding since my kids stopped being toddlers, not starting it again for you now.

First page

are you reading invisible women?

And another in the first page ,on a father imposing gender roles

Oh and underpayment if women's pensions also in first page

I'll leave it to you to skim the rest

I think the reason there is so much focus on trans issues is because women are suddenly finding that the concept of 'woman', which has always meant 'adult human female', is being changed from under our feet without our consent or input to mean a mental state which can be instantiated in the minds of males. Given that female people are oppressed by male people, the existential threat this poses to feminism and women's rights is huge. There has not yet been a civil rights movement where the oppressor unilaterally declares they are a member of the oppressed group, and from then on is treated as such. Quite simply, we can't organise as women for the rights of women if we don't have firmly in place what a woman is. I've seen post-modern feminist proposals that suggest feminism collapses into a 'be kind to everyone' movement which aims to remove oppression from all of humanity, but my worry with this is that women will be sidelined in their own rights movement.

There's a thread over there in feminism about a women's DV shelter
It's been closed down and funds diverted to a trans shelter
It's that the kind of thread you mean OP?

@yeahbutnaw

Can anyone share a link to Threads where there have been discussions on women's issues that don't involve gender identity?

I'd love to have a read.

What issues concern you most?

Feel free to start threads on topics that concern you. That's what I do.

P.S. FGM campaigners and groups are being harassed by gender identity ideologues for not including males, women in prison (who are likely to have experiences of sexual violence and domestic abuse) are being housed with rapists, males are taking women's places on company Boards and of course they enjoy the lifelong privilege of not having to experience the sort of detriments to their pay in the same way that women do (such as missing out on opportunities or pay rises due to maternity), and women are being dehumanised with terms around their reproductive issues (calling women menstruators or people with endometriosis - all of which obscures the facts around the realities of our lives as women).
I'd say these issues should deeply concern anyone who claims to centre women.

@7Days I listed some in my original post. Have a read.

And I've explained why it's impossible these days to address those issues, without referring to the campaigners that are not only setting back progress but actively undoing what has been done.

Have a read.

Though - if I'm wrong please explain. It would be a great weight off my mind

Nice try. Feel free to use the advanced search function for specific topics.

I used to think the same. I get it now.

Funny you mention FGM. You'll be aware of the attacks on Hibo Wardere for daring to speak up about female genital mutilation? - apparently she wasn't inclusive enough referring to female.