Why don't we centre women?

[yeahbutnaw]

This is a feminism board but 99% of the threads are about trans people or gender identity.

What about domestic violence, FGM, the gender pay gap, period poverty, and representation in the workplace?

It seems like this board believes the only threat to women is trans people.

Am I missing something?

On the off chance the OP is genuine in her 'concern', it's not remotely the only issue of concern for this feminist.

I'd suggest spending some time, OP, thinking about this analogy: can one deal with racism, if we claim to be colorblind? No?

So can we deal with sexism while ignoring or minimising the reality and impact of sex? No?

If we need to accept and understand the role of bio sex in our quest to understand and deal with sexism, is it helpful to instead demand women stop talking about sex as the basis for the discrimination we experience? No?

Can you begin to understand why a movement (TRA) which actively seeks to deny women the right to define, organize by and discuss sex as the root of sexism might come in for quite a lot of discussion by feminists?

Right. Off to read about how we've got an alleged rapist in our (non-UK) Cabinet, hope that's feminist enough, OP.

I think hibiscus is good in a cocktail.

This thread has truly gladdened my heart. Counting Buzz who might otherwise have missed the deadline, I think that's five extra t-shirts sold. We're just starting the second and final week and we're already over half the way to 500 sold!

@yeahbutnaw

This is a feminism board but 99% of the threads are about trans people or gender identity.

What about domestic violence, FGM, the gender pay gap, period poverty, and representation in the workplace?

It seems like this board believes the only threat to women is trans people.

Am I missing something?

I see endless threads that discuss these issues on here 🙄🙄

@PotholeParadies

This thread has truly gladdened my heart. Counting Buzz who might otherwise have missed the deadline, I think that's five extra t-shirts sold. We're just starting the second and final week and we're already over half the way to 500 sold!

Yes I was hovering on the fence but your prompt combined with a bit of feminist rage and wanting to show my support prompted me to buy one.

The main threat to women is the erasure of women. FGM, DV etc are all linked. We need to know what a women is before we can talk about female genitalia mutation. However if you care to look back there are lots of posts on various issues.

Crack on with starting threads on any feminist issue you like OP.

Nothing wrong with a bit of feminist rage. Every time an author gets 'cancelled' or someone pisses me off on here, a book gets bought, or a fiver gets put into a crowdfunder.

I keep hearing we're funded by the American far right or something. I wish they'd hurry up with funding me! Cheques lost in the post, are they?

There are plenty of threads.

Feminism is a topic with at least 4 more subtopics. If you can't find any, then you should look harder.

If you're interested in or want to talk about something specific then you can start a new thread just like you did here.

And yes the "trans" "threat" is significant and it affects all those things you mention once policy and law makers decide they don't know what a woman is anymore.

How can you combat discrimination,sexism etc when you can't define what a woman is? How can you make policies directed at women, to be beneficial to women when you won't use the word woman ? Or mother.. or whatever else they take an offence with.

Gender pay gap? Discrimination in the work place? Lack of promotions? All it takes to sort out is for a few higher ups to identify as women. Just 2 days a week should do it.

Agree. If you want to discuss a particular issue start a thread on it, rather than sounding as though you've just come to tell women off for not womaning the way you want them too.

I agree 100%. I am completely seen as Terftastic outside of MN. And will fight to the bitter end for women's spaces. However, I wish the passion and drive for that subject could be spread to other equally as pressing topics.

We absolutely centre women, that's the problem for OP and their friends.

@Buzzinwithbez

I used to think the same. I get it now.

Funny you mention FGM. You'll be aware of the attacks on Hibo Wardere for daring to speak up about female genital mutilation? - apparently she wasn't inclusive enough referring to female.

Yes. She had to actually make a vide to say 'I support women and girls. Get over it' as she was being accused of not being inclusive.

The girls and women who suffer from SEX based violence cannot identify out of their SEX.

People are threatening to erase what the word WOMAN actually means.

If the word WOMAN means 'anyone who say they are', it becomes meaningless and we cannot fight for our SEX BASED rights.

Gender ideology is the biggest threat on this at the moment. So that is why there are so many threads.

@PotholeParadies

Nothing wrong with a bit of feminist rage. Every time an author gets 'cancelled' or someone pisses me off on here, a book gets bought, or a fiver gets put into a crowdfunder.

I keep hearing we're funded by the American far right or something. I wish they'd hurry up with funding me! Cheques lost in the post, are they?

Yes I pre-ordered Milli Hill's period book for my daughter off the back of it too... Looking forward to reading it with her.

I care deeply about women's reproductive health, from period poverty, abortion restrictions to FGM to egg donation and surrogacy, medical research and more.

I'd LOVE to have zero trans insertion into those topics...but ironically enough, today I saw MN mods have to defend a past surrogacy thread because it was accused by a man on Twitter of 'transphobia' and 'homophobia'. My preference is to speak with women about women's health, but men seem to push, push, push into our conversations. Bugs me to no end.

Agree Delphinium

A total waste of energy and activism. While say - women and children running from an abuser have nowhere to go

@Delphinium20

I care deeply about women's reproductive health, from period poverty, abortion restrictions to FGM to egg donation and surrogacy, medical research and more.

I'd LOVE to have zero trans insertion into those topics...but ironically enough, today I saw MN mods have to defend a past surrogacy thread because it was accused by a man on Twitter of 'transphobia' and 'homophobia'. My preference is to speak with women about women's health, but men seem to push, push, push into our conversations. Bugs me to no end.

I do hope it wasn't a bloke and LGBT representative who had to make a public apology for creating a thread devoting to maligning Allison Bailey and elicited a post that suggested burning Allison Bailey's house down. Which he then liked.

Because I saw that very same bloke arguing with MNHQ on twitter today, although I didn't pay attention to what he was arguing about.

I foolishly engaged with Twitter today in response to some of the awful things being said about Mumsnet. I wish I hadn't now, I feel much worse for it. I'm not able to wrangle words and ideas about cleverly enough. I know they're wrong but I can't find the right comebacks!

MostInept I'm not bother with Twitter anymore so dont know how it went today. But I would always say, dont apologise for your pov. You dont need a doctorate in 'Womaning', nor do you need some special training in rhetoric to know what a woman is.
You just need to be a woman with your own voice.

There's loads of us.

Thank you @7Days
I'm feeling better after reading about things that have happened today.
Some of that Twitter stuff had to be bitter and cynical distraction tactics.

There are loads of us aren't there?
And some sense is finally being heard.

One of the reasons this board has such a focus is because these discussions are shut down elsewhere. We recently had an influx of Australian gender critical feminists, I believe, who came here after being banned for having discussions about the conflict between women’s rights and trans rights. When mumsnet is one of the only places permitting this discussion, it is obviously going to act as a focal point for those discussions.

[quote yeahbutnaw]@7Days I listed some in my original post. Have a read.[/quote]
How about you start by actually reading some of the repliés.

Be the change you want to see in the world, OP! Build, and they will come!

Also, couple of random facts, if you’re maybe new to MN. For a number of years (though this has softened a bit recently) any topic that touched on trans issues that surfaced on the general boards was roundly told to fuck off back here where it belonged. This has shaped the content here, which is quite different from a few years ago as it became a sort of corral to keep the topic.

This whole site is heavily skewed towards women, so there’s feminism happening all over it, so compared to other sites, there’s actually less need for a specific feminism bord, as the whole place has a feminist slant. Read the relationships board, for example.

Lastly, what they all said ⬆️ Existential threats galvanise people.

I don't know why, maybe it is because anything that has to do with womens rights when based on being biologically female always gets painted as being anti trans, OP? I mean, domestic violence and refuges: defunded because adult human females were the biggest group of users and that was anti trans. Women not wanted mixed sex sports and mixed sex prisons: anti trans. How to get more women into politics: discussion with four women and two transwomen, probably to provide the non biological barriers point of view like wearing high heeled shoes and to always shave your legs ( refering to India W here)? Or that the biggest challenge as a woman is to decide what to wear that day, quoting CJenner.

Then we have the chestfeeders, birthing parent, vagina havers, uterus holders etc. All to ensure the word woman is never used for adult human females. Big topics to discuss and pissing a lot of women off.

And coming soon: international womans day, want to count how many stunning and brave transwomen will be held up as rolemodels on how adult human females can overcome the biological barriers society puts up?

What a shock. Women criticised for robustly defending our rights and not doing enough to stop male abusing us in the myriad of ways men have found to do so.