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An inclusive way to be gender critical?

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pensivepigeon · 27/02/2021 07:57

My thoughts on gender and sex are thus:

Gender is a social construct. It is how society and individuals view the presentation of the sexes - in fashion, interests and work roles. Whereas sex is biological, we cannot change it even though we might surgically change our appearance and take artificial hormones which affect our bodily functions.

However because gender is a social construct and we are part of society we can define it. I define gender as

Female = adhering or not adhering to traditional stereotypes regarding names, fashion, interests and work roles.
Male= adhering or not adhering to traditional stereotypes regarding names, fashion, interests and work roles.

If everyone took this on board it would mean safe single sex spaces could be preserved, as people could present themselves however they want, wear what they want but use the single sex space appropriate for their sex without conflict. Uniforms would offer everyone both traditional female and male options which either sex could wear. Ditto with sports, competing takes place within the appropriate sex classes but competitors can wear either the traditional male or female competition uniforms. There would be no confusion and need to agonise over language when providing medical care.

Taking this stance stance means I have no problem when it comes to saying I am of female sex with a female gender.

So am I gender critical? Is this inclusive?

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MrGHardy · 04/03/2021 14:04

Why do we need to be inclusive?

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Impatiens · 04/03/2021 14:21

Good question.

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bourbonne · 04/03/2021 14:33

The word inclusive sends shivers down my spine these days. It often means "switch your brain off at the door, or don't come in at all". It also feels so....needy. There's that metaphor about "diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance". Well, it might be nice to be asked to dance, but it's also everyone's right to dance with whoever they want to and nobody they don't, and stamping one's feet about it, or attempting to police it, kind of has incel vibes. Just be fabulous and do your own dance, I say!

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MaudTheInvincible · 04/03/2021 14:43

Yes bourbonne that's why this men's rights movement relies so heavily on the 'be kind' appeal to female socialisation. It's dependant on other people, usually women, doing things they don't want to, or saying things they know to be untrue, or believing things that are demonstrably false.

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RootyT00t · 04/03/2021 15:49

@MrGHardy

Why do we need to be inclusive?

You don't NEED to be.

But surely everyone wants a society where people work together rather than fight one another and get nowhere.
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RootyT00t · 04/03/2021 15:50

@MaudTheInvincible

Yes bourbonne that's why this men's rights movement relies so heavily on the 'be kind' appeal to female socialisation. It's dependant on other people, usually women, doing things they don't want to, or saying things they know to be untrue, or believing things that are demonstrably false.

Only because there are more transwomen than trans men.

If trans men was the majority, I honestly think women would be fighting to keep them in their toilets and not in with men.

If they wouldn't, then it seems strange they would subject biological women to the risks they claim are so prevalent.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/03/2021 17:16

The word inclusive sends shivers down my spine these days. It often means "switch your brain off at the door, or don't come in at all". It also feels so....needy. There's that metaphor about "diversity is being invited to the party; inclusion is being asked to dance". Well, it might be nice to be asked to dance, but it's also everyone's right to dance with whoever they want to and nobody they don't, and stamping one's feet about it, or attempting to police it, kind of has incel vibes. Just be fabulous and do your own dance, I say!

Yes!

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