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[Sunkisses]

According to @SexMattersOrg on Twitter the Govt have backed down on the MOMA (Maternity) Bill and will now use the word 'mother' not 'person' in the legislation!

Women did this! We are winning!

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Courage calls to courage everywhere, and its voice cannot be denied.

to all the many hundreds, thousands, millions of women still fighting the fight however it must be met. They cannot silence us all.

Empress I'm in a fantastic place mentally or I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. 💐

I have had to step away for some time at various points throughout, as it really is taxing emotionally and psychologically. Always safeguard your own well-being first, then when you feel strong enough and can face it, there’ll always be another arena within which to take the stand.

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Sunkisses

This extreme ideology does not want equal rights whilst recognises our differences. It wants to deny those differences exist at all. Happily that agenda has been rolled back today - Lord Lilley

(Conservative)

Wow!

Have only read up to this so far.

Thanks for posting Sunkisses

What is shocking is also the numbers of women here talking about what is happening to their daughters and to some extent their sons. It is frightening the way a dangerous ideology has taken hold and the numbers of children and young people denying the reality of their bodies( or trying to) Schools seem to be very involved in this and a good reason why Stonewall et al should be banned .Children do not seem to be able to make critical judgements and must be protected. Unbelievable that in this context the Bell judgement is being challenged. So fucking angry despite the good news from the HOL

NiceGerbil
And for those who say that won't happen not a problem. Please refer to the 8/10 pregnant stat posted by the NHS.

These would be the same organisation which along with the Health Education Council ran that poster campaign in the seventies: www.flickr.com/photos/dandaduk/5860258982

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Thanks to those who realised I was not one hundred per cent serious when I was carefully pointing out that some men are able to produce white liquid from their nipples but this is not actually milk for babies....

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Empress I'm in a fantastic place mentally or I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. 💐

You're a shero. GOOD LUCK.

And I've just got my thank you emails done

Do any of you ever pause to think about the effect that your attitudes and posts have on the mental health and safety of trans men and women?

Yes I think about the mental health and safety of trans people. But mostly I think about the mental health and safety of my neuro diverse, gender non-conforming, gay children (teens and young adult).

Since this whole thing came to my attention I have been fearful that they would see trans ideology as a reason for and solution to some difficult problems they face.

Since they were quite young our conversations have gone like this with language changed according to age:

Gender is a social construct based on regressive stereotypes that harm women and men.
Liking football and short hair does not mean you are a boy.
Liking glitter and dance does not mean you are a girl.
You can like what you like, wear what you want and love who you love.
You cannot be born in the wrong body. You are perfect as you are.

As they have got a bit older we have talked about fertility, sexual functioning and health issues caused by trans treatments.

They will leave my care intact, fertile (as far as we know!) and able to experience sexual pleasure. Not goals I ever expected to explicitly have as a parent. After that it’s up to them of course but I hope the pendulum might have swung back to caution and avoiding harm.

Great thread. I work in healthcare and get besides myself seeing “People with a cervix should have a smear test,” when I frequently meet women who have very little knowledge of their own anatomy and then “Men should have prostate screening (and other people with a prostate).” Men stay men in the messaging with a caveat for trans people but women become people.

I also have women who have been abused pleading with me to ensure there will be no men in the room when they have an invasive procedure. So not just a female person performing the test but only female people in the room. Or they can’t have the test because they are already traumatised and it is too triggering for them.

It matters to their mental health and safety. So I think about that too.

@Payfrozen

Do any of you ever pause to think about the effect that your attitudes and posts have on the mental health and safety of trans men and women?

Yes I think about the mental health and safety of trans people. But mostly I think about the mental health and safety of my neuro diverse, gender non-conforming, gay children (teens and young adult).

Since this whole thing came to my attention I have been fearful that they would see trans ideology as a reason for and solution to some difficult problems they face.

Since they were quite young our conversations have gone like this with language changed according to age:

Gender is a social construct based on regressive stereotypes that harm women and men.
Liking football and short hair does not mean you are a boy.
Liking glitter and dance does not mean you are a girl.
You can like what you like, wear what you want and love who you love.
You cannot be born in the wrong body. You are perfect as you are.

As they have got a bit older we have talked about fertility, sexual functioning and health issues caused by trans treatments.

They will leave my care intact, fertile (as far as we know!) and able to experience sexual pleasure. Not goals I ever expected to explicitly have as a parent. After that it’s up to them of course but I hope the pendulum might have swung back to caution and avoiding harm.

Great thread. I work in healthcare and get besides myself seeing “People with a cervix should have a smear test,” when I frequently meet women who have very little knowledge of their own anatomy and then “Men should have prostate screening (and other people with a prostate).” Men stay men in the messaging with a caveat for trans people but women become people.

I also have women who have been abused pleading with me to ensure there will be no men in the room when they have an invasive procedure. So not just a female person performing the test but only female people in the room. Or they can’t have the test because they are already traumatised and it is too triggering for them.

It matters to their mental health and safety. So I think about that too.

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Fantastic.

The TRAs are completely indifferent to the suffering of women and children that that their noisy demands are causing, so that’s where I choose to focus my attention.

Women: "No to this idea which damage us."

Men: "But what about our feelings?"

@zzizzer

Women: "No to this idea which damage us."

Men: "But what about our feelings?"

Other Women: What about the men?

Indeed. And, "If we're nice to them then they'll be nice back, surely?"

So the act now says that its not pregnant people but 'mothers'? Sounds like a win for the Chirstian Right pro lifers. I thought you became a mother when yo gave birth, not before.

@DisgustedofManchester

So the act now says that its not pregnant people but 'mothers'? Sounds like a win for the Chirstian Right pro lifers. I thought you became a mother when yo gave birth, not before.

The act always said mothers. Women too!

And I don't get what the rest of that post means? Could you repeat it, but slowly...?

I thought you became a mother when yo gave birth, not before.

What do you think maternity care means?

I have three children who left my body very early and were not born alive. Did I become a mother at the point I was carrying them, or after they were dead and had left my body? Or in your obviously very important opinion, was I ever a mother at all?

This law is about ministerial maternity leave, DoM, not abortion. Maternity refers to motherhood. Hope that clears things up.

And what the actual hell does any of this have to do with the HoL debate?

The whole argument is about language. If trans men did not exist then would people even be having this conversation? Arguing personal positions and experiences does not counter my point regarding the bill.

People objected to the word 'people'.

It's not surprising that people who don't need the bill, don't understand it.

Christian Right pro-lifers.

Don’t be ridiculous. That’s about as far as it’s possible to be from where I stand. What an utterly laughable conclusion to come to.

Sounds like a win for the Chirstian Right pro lifers

Why?

@Erkrie

Sounds like a win for the Chirstian Right pro lifers

Why?

It’s so funny when people throw bollocks like this about 😂

I mean it’s just so ludicrous.

Honestly I almost feel bad responding to it!

does not counter my point regarding the bill.

Which point would that be?