Posie Parker Zoom

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Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

“ Is that a fake Posie account though? I know there have been several fake ones to allow screenshots like this?”

No, if you read the MN posts screenshot upthread.

I wonder what would ever be considered enough “proof” when the will to excuse, minimise or deny her actions, words and beliefs of so very very strong
Exactly, and you see it a lot on here, complete and utter denial.
Can't see because don't want to.
Even if it comes out of the mouths themselves, proof will never be enough.

TRAs have said FAR WORSE, both recently and historically. I'm really not keen on this tendency to trawl people's social media posts from years ago as some kind of "gotcha" because you don't agree with their current position.

Pothole...

“ It'll never happen, but if it did, it wouldn't be that bad because other children have it worse”....

.... and schools have found lots of ways to make sure all children can access their legal entitlement to education, even in much worse and much longer term and extensive hardship

You were almost there, just missed the end bit off.

TRAs have said FAR WORSE, both recently and historically.

So?
Of course there will be some who have, yes.
What has that got to do with anything though, are you saying that people can be as hateful as they like because well, at least it's not as bad as this person who said worse?!
It's not a competition

So as in my point as was how is that relevant, not so as in agreeing with any TRA's before somebody misreads or twists.

However we then have people like you stating that it is oh so hard for people to get a GRC . Comparisons can go both ways.

If someone attempted to claim the experience of getting a GRC was akin to those who lived through the holocaust or the cultural revolution I would tell them that was as ridiculous as it is offensive. I'm not criticising people for complaining, or wanting to change something, I'm criticising them for comparing being banned from zoom or not beig invited to speak somewhere to mass slaughter and living under a totalitarian murderous state.

So Posie saying they should be sterilised is hardly the most outrageous of hate speech

I can't get my head round how you think it is the same - Posie is not trans, right?
So how is a trans man wanting to be sterilised as part of them wanting their body to be male too the same as a woman who isn't trans saying trans men should be sterilised?!
It's not the same thing.

Re my comment about fake account, it was a genuine question as I wasn't on FWR when Posie was. I signed up not long before the GRA consultation deadline.

“ I'm really not keen on this tendency to trawl people's social media posts from years ago as some kind of "gotcha" “

You’d maybe best not hang out on FWR then BitOfFun. That’s the mainstay of most threads!

But more to the point, no trawling involved, and it was right here on mn.

No TRAs were involved.

She was posting to real actual mn parents, and was not provoked, goaded or otherwise somehow forced to say it, nor was she remotely apologetic, or of a mind to retract.

The fact that others have said worse is not a free pass to say bad shit about whole groups of people.

I mean, if that made it ok it would basically be a free for all for anyone to say whatever the hell they please without anyone judging them, because once upon a time at least, someone else said something worse.

What a ridiculous excuse to proffer!

Here is another screenshot from that thread.

I’m not sure how much more clearly Posie can say she doesn’t support the forced sterilisation of transmen.

The tweet is continually quoted/posted out of context of its original thread.

duvet

“ In lockdown I have witnessed groups of men using Zoom for their Poker night etc. Vile jokes are made, horrible things are shared. They are not being kicked off.”

Unless your male friends are broadcasting their poker sessions as monetised public webinar, it’s not the same scenario.

“Posie saying they should be sterilised is hardly the most outrageous of hate speech.”

Every time I think this place has hit rock bottom it goes that little bit further.

Wake up to what you are condoning here.

@CheckOriginalSources

Posie talked about this on mumsnet back in the day. You can still read the thread, but here’s a screenshot.

I don't buy all this shooting from the hip stuff, followed by back-tracking or claiming an honest mistake when she gets called out on it. If someone was racist every time they got frustrated or over-excited then you might think that that was actually an indication of what they really thought, no matter how much they might apologise later. There's only so many times you can call for trans men to be sterilised, or tell MAGA men with guns to start using women's toilets or accidentally end up in an 80min youtube interview with a white supremicist before you have to question if in fact she knows exactly what she's doing and which audience she is targeting her content at.

As far as I can tell, jj, you spend most of your social media time on MN's feminism board proffering ridiculous excuses, so forgive me if I can't take your position seriously.

it’s not silencing “women”. It’s silencing one specific woman, who has been consistently transphobic for years now, from using one tech platform, for breaking their terms of use.

Transphobia really does seem to be in the eye of the beholder. I've followed Kelly Jay for years and haven't seen any evidence of transphobia. Just a brave women who refuses to be cowed by bullies. The relentlessly malicious people who purposely drive her to distraction, so that they can take her exasperated response out of context, then spin what she said in order to paint her as something she is not. It's a tactic we often see being used on social media, even sometimes on these boards, so we recognise it easily.

Some people seem to forget that the women of mumsnet are perfectly capable of going to the source, examining the evidence and drawing our own conclusions. And that whenever anyone does that the penny drops, as it always does, in accordance with the forces of gravity and reality.

Those trying to smear exemplary women do themselves no favours.

@jj1968

However we then have people like you stating that it is oh so hard for people to get a GRC . Comparisons can go both ways.

If someone attempted to claim the experience of getting a GRC was akin to those who lived through the holocaust or the cultural revolution I would tell them that was as ridiculous as it is offensive. I'm not criticising people for complaining, or wanting to change something, I'm criticising them for comparing being banned from zoom or not beig invited to speak somewhere to mass slaughter and living under a totalitarian murderous state.

And then the irony of, when someone from the other side of the debate says ‘group x should be sterilised’ which is ACTUALLY something done to people in totalitarian states, it’s ‘not that bad’ ‘it was years ago’ ‘she didn’t mean it like that’ 🙄

Um, last time I checked, Posie wasn't a head of state (or even a putative coup leader).

If you can’t detect transphobia in a person who says “trans people should not be parents” then you are beyond reason, and have your hands over your ears.

I posted on this thread because there are posters and lurkers who weren’t aware of Posie’s back story, and who deserve to hear about it.

It’s not all sunshine and roses, and she’s not the put-upon targeted golden goose of GC feminism this board makes her out to be.

They can make up their own minds whether that’s a person they want to get behind.

And neither is Zoom, so maybe this tired oH nOeS iTs nAzI gErMaNy schtick just needs to go in the bin

@CheckOriginalSources

Here is another screenshot from that thread.

I’m not sure how much more clearly Posie can say she doesn’t support the forced sterilisation of transmen.

The tweet is continually quoted/posted out of context of its original thread.

Everything you have posted screenshots from that thread backs up "she thinks women who think they are men should be sterilized." Then on that last bit here, she refers to just women. Why

If you can’t detect transphobia in a person who says “trans people should not be parents” then you are beyond reason, and have your hands over your ears.

Exactly

They can make up their own minds whether that’s a person they want to get behind
and agree

Either you believe in free speech or you don't. Once you start banning people because you don't like what they're saying, you're on a very slippery slope.

@Clymene

Either you believe in free speech or you don't. Once you start banning people because you don't like what they're saying, you're on a very slippery slope.

It’s not quite that simple though is it? Websites and social media platforms have had terms of use for as long as they’ve existed. You abide by them or you don’t. I wonder how the Biden inauguration would have gone if Twitter and all the rest had shrugged and gone ‘free speech innit’ instead of banning Trump? What about the slippery slope leading the other way? The slippery slope that sees white supremacists and men with guns (neither of which Posie seems to have anything like as much of a problem with as she does trans ppl) marching into public buildings and calling for people to be lynched?