Posie Parker Zoom

[AdHominemNonSequitur]

Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

[Datun]

The 'What else', is that women are relentlessly threatened with rape, murder, and torture, and nothing happens.

One of the threats to posie's child was so horrific, it reached a level I had never yet visualised. The calm, calculated way he described the process he advocated made me gasp.

None of these men appear to have been prosecuted, tried, imprisoned, banned, nothing. There were literally, hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of threats sent to J K Rowling. Those people are still posting.

The point of all this is to shut women up. Particularly gobby, fearless women like Posie, campaigning for the rights of children and women.

[PotholeParadies]

Nah, it's just driving the narrative of evil hateful feminists abusing the poor oppressed transbians.

As said before, appropriation.

[Mockolate]

Nobody's saying threatening like that is OK though, that's disgusting.
Again we're back at "well they're all saying this what's worse, so what we're saying can't be bad as well"
It's not a bloddy competition.

[jj1968]

The 'What else', is that women are relentlessly threatened with rape, murder, and torture, and nothing happens.

You think trans women aren't? There have been plenty of graphic violent threats made to trans people, and it wouldn't suprise me if they were made by the same people who have made threats to gender critical people - anonymous teenage incels, trolls and 4channers who hate us both equally. And they do get banned, frequently, and if they could be tracked down would be liable to prosecution and rightly so.

[unwashedanddazed]

So do the Degenderettes wear T-shirts saying "punch anonymous teenage incels, trolls and 4channers"? Or is it just women they like to punch?

[FamilyOfAliens]

It's the double headed labrys, which is a feminist symbol, it is not inciting violence.

Just googled and it was indeed a lesbian feminist symbol back in the 1970s.

Which begs the question - why would a group of people who hate feminists and think same-sex attraction is transphobic use such a symbol? Is it their somewhat misguided way of showing solidarity with feminists and lesbians?

Somehow I doubt it.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

So do the Degenderettes wear T-shirts saying "punch anonymous teenage incels, trolls and 4channers"? Or is it just women they like to punch?

Good question.

[Winesalot]

So let me see.

A double headed axe with the trans colours and the words 'Terf War Veteran' is not inciting violence? I would love to say more about what has been described as 'literal violence' recently but it would possibly fall outside the guidelines.

To say this is this 'not' advocating or celebrating violence in any way against women who disagree with someone else's opinion would surely be an example of disingenuous posting. But I could be wrong...

I would like to understand where I am wrong in my conclusion though.

[SunsetBeetch]

@FamilyOfAliens

It's the double headed labrys, which is a feminist symbol, it is not inciting violence.

Just googled and it was indeed a lesbian feminist symbol back in the 1970s.

Which begs the question - why would a group of people who hate feminists and think same-sex attraction is transphobic use such a symbol? Is it their somewhat misguided way of showing solidarity with feminists and lesbians?

Somehow I doubt it.

They also call themselves feminists. Go figure!

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Yes I know the threat you mean I think, Datun. Especially concerning and frightening for her when TRAs appear to have such a fixation on her family:

https://talkradio.co.uk/news/posie-parker-they-have-harvested-photos-my-children-private-accounts-18100228172

[Stellwagen]

Getting back to Posie and Zoom, if it's been explained I missed it but how does Zoom know Posie is using their platform for what they are calling hate speech? If they're listening in on her conversations they are clearly breaking US federal and state laws.

[SunsetBeetch]

@Stellwagen

Getting back to Posie and Zoom, if it's been explained I missed it but how does Zoom know Posie is using their platform for what they are calling hate speech? If they're listening in on her conversations they are clearly breaking US federal and state laws.

This is true. Unless someone has been spying, i.e. posing as a fan of hers and attending her Zoom calls? Or just making assumptions? It's a bit off, isn't it?

[Datun]

You think trans women aren't?

Posie is targeted because she must be silenced. What she has to say is resonating with too many people, it garners too much support.

Hence the instant questioning of zoom's motives.

[Stellwagen]

This is true. Unless someone has been spying, i.e. posing as a fan of hers and attending her Zoom calls? Or just making assumptions? It's a bit off, isn't it?
It is. If a Zoom employee pretended to be a fan and recorded the conversation that would be illegal in California where they're based. All parties would need to give their permission. I'm not a lawyer but I think this would be like your phone company listening in on your calls. It's different than Twitter.

[Stealhsquirrelnutkin]

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. It has really brought home to me how threatened certain factions are by strong women who refuse to mince their words.

I have great respect for brave women who carry on fighting in the face of vile calumnies and relentless targeted harassment.

It is reassuring to see how many other women have seen through the violent threats and increasingly desperate attempts to silence and no platform dissenting views. On a par with listening to the members of the house of Lords speaking about maternity rights and the erasure of women.

Hurrah for uppity women, long may they keep on kicking against the pricks (Jesus said that so I'm sure it must be allowed under the mumsnet rules on acceptable discourse).

[JustAmotherOne]

Stell and sunset, zoom has webinar services, and live broadcast services, both of which can be viewed publicly.

[Mockolate]

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. It has really brought home to me how threatened certain factions are by strong women who refuse to mince their words

I for one am not threatened in the slightest, (why would I be?) and why try to paint different opinions as "certain factions" against strong women
not some dark force at play!
Just different voices

[SunsetBeetch]

@JustAmotherOne

Stell and sunset, zoom has webinar services, and live broadcast services, both of which can be viewed publicly.

Ah right, I didn't know that. Thanks!

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Yes MN has done a couple of Zoom webinars, one I went to about the book "The Politicisation of Mumsnet".

[SmokedDuck]

@newyearnewname123

Her explanation of her comment was pretty clear, and made sense in the context of the larger conversation.

Even if she had meant what some people here think she said, are we not capable of arguing an opposite point of view? Surely the way we arrive at reasonable thoughts is by taking them to logical conclusions and then pushing back to what is reasonable.

The only speech that should be limited is incitement to violence.

Yes, I agree with this.

Any kind of robust discussion of ideas in a public space should be able to deal with difficult and even off-putting viewpoints.

The quality of discussion has degraded pretty radically in recent years, I'm afraid.

[Alltheprettyseahorses]

Slightly off track, as I see my post about a TRA (not necessarily a transwoman) with a sword has been picked up by someone it's not worth the time responding, there's yet another openly threatening post on twitter from a blue ticker this time, and we're being told we're in the wrong on here. I've said it before, I'll take no schooling about Posie Parker's words when TRA threats are ignored, justified or cheered on.