Posie Parker Zoom

[AdHominemNonSequitur]

Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

[jj1968]

This is ideological censorship and JJ, totalitarian states don't start off with violence, they start off with censorship, propaganda, brainwashing and controlling communication channels and media.

This isn't true. Totalitarian states generally emerge out of warfare, failed revolution or political/military coups and we are a long way from any of those things in the UK.

To compare often quite privileged people being banned from a website, or having a speech cancelled with the rise of Facism, the Cultural Revolution, or any other atrocity in which thousands of people or even millions of people were tortured and murdered is deeply offensive to the victims of those events and their ancesters.

[PaleBlueMoonlight]

This is really concerning. Posie has my support.

[jj1968]

It's reasonable for children in a household to be unable to access their school's zoom lessons because their mother speaks on Zoom to other people?

Yes, if someone can't stick to the rules of the service and ensure a safe environment for the children using it they shouldn't be there. Safeguarding 101, no-one is exempt.

[MadameButterface]

Ah yes, women who object to people making personal remarks about their relationships and appearance must have no sense of humour. Didn’t think i’d see that play out on the FWR board but hey.

[MadameButterface]

And Finn MacKay was campaigning on behalf of women against male violence, porn and prostitution for a lot of years long before Posie’s big feminist awakening.

[PotholeParadies]

@jj1968

It's reasonable for children in a household to be unable to access their school's zoom lessons because their mother speaks on Zoom to other people?

Yes, if someone can't stick to the rules of the service and ensure a safe environment for the children using it they shouldn't be there. Safeguarding 101, no-one is exempt.

Break that down for me.

If I am a child, you agree that I should be unable to log into my school lessons (live lesson over zoom or prerecorded video viewed via zoom) if my mother (what are the rules for fathers?) said something objectionable to another audience on a previous day.

Goodness. What next? Perhaps I could be banned from stepping foot on school premises, because my mother or father had a youtube channel?

Bullshit is this safeguarding. You're just repeating the word because you've heard it a lot.

[jj1968]

If I am a child, you agree that I should be unable to log into my school lessons (live lesson over zoom or prerecorded video viewed via zoom) if my mother (what are the rules for fathers?) said something objectionable to another audience on a previous day.

Well presumably they can set up their own zoom account, or use it through their browser. All it means as far as I can tell is that Posie would not be able to have a profile on there or use their live webinar facility. Neither of those is necessary for kid's schooling.

[unwashedanddazed]

You can measure how effective a woman is by how many men try to shut her up.

[PotholeParadies]

Oh, so we're backtracking from whether an IP ban on the household is justifiable now?

[Clymene]

@MadameButterface

Ah yes, women who object to people making personal remarks about their relationships and appearance must have no sense of humour. Didn’t think i’d see that play out on the FWR board but hey.

I don't know what Posie's beef is with Mackay and I'm not that interested. I am interested in why people persistently try and are out she said things she blatantly didn't say and even post up the evidence that proves she didn't say the the thing that she didn't say.

I wonder why so many people are invested in getting Posie to shut the fuck in basically.

[BattyOrange]

Don't these tech giants tend to ban IP addresses rather than individuals? If so, in the event of such a ban, KJK's children would be excluded from Zoom lessons unless they went elsewhere to receive them. And that's currently not allowed.

Anyway, I agree that KJK's been targetted again (still) and we all know who by. I wonder why they're so scared of what she has to say...

[MadameButterface]

Why don’t you explain to me what Posie was saying on those screenshots then, and what the relevance is of her friends’ sense of humour?

[RealityNotEssentialism]

Can’t be arsed to get into this discussion because I have done so before without success but yes, she said that transmen should be sterilised. Those were her exact words.

[PotholeParadies]

I'm beginning to think I should watch her videos/youtube channel/whatever it is.

I've never watched any before, being violently opposed to spending time watching youtube videos on account of my hearing issues.

Life is too short to try to work out what people are mumbling into webcams, and if it's important it's usually written down somewhere.

But if people are this upset by them I'll have a go.

[Dalyesque]

But surely pregnancy for someone with dysphoria would be extremely triggering if they have to face biological facts ...if just misgendering creates such reactions...

[Clymene]

Should women who reject every aspect of their biology become mothers when they want to be fathers?

It's an interesting question, particularly when surrogacy is gaining such a foothold in the MSM.

Pregnancy and giving birth are a quintessential female experience. And yet a lot of people seem to be keen on decoupling women from the process.

[RealityNotEssentialism]

@Dalyesque

But surely pregnancy for someone with dysphoria would be extremely triggering if they have to face biological facts ...if just misgendering creates such reactions...

It’s okay, you can criticise her and say it’s wrong to claim that a group of people ‘should be sterilised’ rather than scrabbling about for excuses about how it’s actually totally fine to say that. Surely it should be up to an individual whether they want to be sterilised.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Bullshit is this safeguarding. You're just repeating the word because you've heard it a lot.

Yes. A reversal.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

That aside, whether I agree with everything KJK says and does or not, I find it chilling that there are attempts to stop her broadcasting her thoughts. And she is most definitely targetted.

This. I think some people realise how effective her activism has been and is.

[AdHominemNonSequitur]

In response to but not addressed to JJ.
“A fundamental difference between modern dictatorships and all other tyrannies of the past is that terror is no longer used as a means to exterminate and frighten opponents, but as an instrument to rule masses of people who are perfectly obedient."
Road map to totalitarianism.
-There’s something fundamentally and intolerably wrong with current reality
-There’s a plan to fix it requiring a whole society buy-in
-People opposing the plan need to be educated about the plan so they accept it
-People who resist the persuasion need to be reeducated, even against their will
-People who won’t accept the plan no matter what need to be removed from society.

To claim power, the regimes don’t initially need to control every aspect of society through government. They start with institutional and cultural capture.
Past regimes often coincided with getting the upperhand with new technology.
Fascists /the extreme right tend to fetishise "folk simplicity" and a return to past greatness - Trumpism
Marxists/ the far left favour communal attempts to tear down the old and reset.
The Social Justice/ progressive/ woke Movement has Marxist DNA. Queer theory is an offshoot of postmodernism which is an offshoot of marxism.

There are many people who have experience of growing up in oppressive regimes who are trying desperately to tell people this is happening. Here. Now.

[Zinco]

There was that time she said that trans men should be sterilised. And repeated it when challenged.

But hey, let’s gloss over that again and make Posie the victim.


We all know you only need to say "men aren't women" to be potentially accused of "hate" and kicked off Twitter or wherever.

Even if tech platforms are legally allowed to have whatever rules they like, it's still a significant free speech issue where basic biology is being censored and political debate shut down.

[PotholeParadies]

Well, I must say I'm very satisfied to hear that it's not evidence of oppression if a political dissident's children can't access education because of a parent's stance, it's just safeguarding.

Safeguarding... the other children from sharing the same lesson on fronted adverbials as a dissident's children, then?

Before, I just thought some people might not have thought through the implications. Now I'm rather concerned they have thought them through.

[jj1968]

Should women who reject every aspect of their biology become mothers when they want to be fathers?

I'm curious why you think it's any of your business whether trans men choose to have kids or not?

[jj1968]

@PotholeParadies

Well, I must say I'm very satisfied to hear that it's not evidence of oppression if a political dissident's children can't access education because of a parent's stance, it's just safeguarding.

Safeguarding... the other children from sharing the same lesson on fronted adverbials as a dissident's children, then?

Before, I just thought some people might not have thought through the implications. Now I'm rather concerned they have thought them through.

If Posie walked into her local library and started shouting trans women are men then she would likely be barred. If that meant her children were unable to use the library she would have no-one to blame but herself.

Of course in this case her potentially being banned from hosting zoom live webinars and having a profile on the site will not infringe on her children's education in the slightest.