Posie Parker Zoom

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Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

Tsunami is right. Posie will never stop. She will just use Microsoft teams or Lifesize or any other platform, or she will broadcast on Brand New Tube. She's been arrested twice for goodness sake, even if she went to prison she'd find a way to broadcast from there.

Anyone who thinks they can silence her is living a fantasy.

@Teentitansonloop

There is no way ZOOM should be policing people's speech in this way. Absolutely shocking.

It's worse because all these platforms are only policing certain people's speech.

Also is Posie being singled out compared to all the actual Nazis and Fascists of this world. Is the Chinese government or Myanmar allowed to use ZOOM? Singling out PP just shows how petty yes influential the blue hair crew have over big tech.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Looks like Zoom have interfered on behalf of China in this instance. Shutting down a zoom account hosting an event to commemorate the Tiananmen sq massacre. More example of big tech companies operating shadily qz.com/1867423/zoom-banned-user-who-held-a-tiananmen-memorial-online/

Bloody outrageous. But it won’t stop Posie.

Go girl.

@jj1968

When they came for the communists they either murdered them or threw them in jail, I'm not sure being possibly banned from zoom is quite the same.

jj I don't know if you've noticed, but there is this pandemic-thing going on?

So we are all using Zoom to communicate with friends, family and work. In fact, our children are even using it to access their education.

If Posie's household gets banned from using Zoom unless she shuts up, it's not a mere bagatelle.

The thing that worries me most about Zoom, is that it isn't social media it's a conferencing service, so they are either being punitive about something she said in another arena, or they are recording/listening to her Zooms conference calls. Are her utility companies going to threaten to disconect her soon? In lockdown conferencing facilities are necessary to work and attend school, but ths is a private company in the US. This is ideological censorship and JJ, totalitarian states don't start off with violence, they start off with censorship, propaganda, brainwashing and controlling communication channels and media.

“... they are either being punitive about something she said in another arena, or they are recording/listening to her Zooms conference calls.”

It’s also a webinar service for live and recorded webinars that are publicly available.

And the main platform can be used to broadcast live to multiple social media platforms and websites.

NancyDrawed

“ DId she actually say 'Transmen should be sterilised'?”

Yes, she literally stated, multiple times on multiple platforms, that trans men should be sterilised. When challenged she went further and said trans people should not be parents.

There was no misinterpretation, and she stood by her opinion.

@JustAmotherOne

Oh good point. I was thinking more hosting or attending meetings and online lessons, I forgot about public webinars.

Receipts? Pink news and the Guardian don't count.

Um, whatever PosieParker said, I'm really interested in your reaction against it.

Because for the last few years and then the last few months, I have been quietly concerned and then vocally asking about the possibility that autistic teenage girls are being given treatment that will make them infertile and reduce their choices later on as adults. I think this is a human rights issue.

To this, I and other people asking the same question have been variously told that some people don't want children, that we are projecting our life choices on other people, that we are creepily interested in children having sex lives, and saying that life is purposeless without children and so on.

But you personally agree that sterilisation when you don't have the capacity to agree to it is a human rights issue?

JustAmotherOne

I haven't seen that anywhere, but may have missed it. I am not in favour of forced sterilisation. Although as PotholesParadise says above, the use of experimental drugs in gender incongruent children may mean that these children become infertile adults.

That aside, whether I agree with everything KJK says and does or not, I find it chilling that there are attempts to stop her broadcasting her thoughts. And she is most definitely targetted.

@JustAmotherOne

NancyDrawed

“ DId she actually say 'Transmen should be sterilised'?”

Yes, she literally stated, multiple times on multiple platforms, that trans men should be sterilised. When challenged she went further and said trans people should not be parents.

There was no misinterpretation, and she stood by her opinion.

What she actually said was this. So her concerns were for the unborn child. No one knows what the effects of artificially raised testosterone levels are on a developing foetus.

We do know that women with PCOS who have raised levels of testosterone as a result of their condition are frequently infertile, suggesting that high testosterone is incompatible with pregnancy.

Thanks @Clymene.

Somewhat different to claim a Transman on synthetic testosterone really shouldn't have children because it would be bad for the infant, to saying Transmen should be sterilised. I think everyone reading it can agree.

Not quite such a good story though. Significantly less likely to get rage clicks and shares.

Weird, the misinterpretation isn't it? Some might call it wilful

@Clymene

Weird, the misinterpretation isn't it? Some might call it wilful

Or in the vernacular : a lie.

Wilful? How very dare you. It couldn't be because if that were the case, it would mean this was an ideology or driven by some sort of political agenda. This is all just about kindness and inclusion. Not sinister at all, nothing to see here.

“ What she actually said was this “

That was one of the things she said when trying to justify her views in the face of a lot of criticism.

You can write me off as a TRA, call me a liar, whatever the you want.

None of that changes what Posie said, repeatedly, and explicitly.

And it wasn’t just trans men, or those becoming parents after transitioning. She was perfectly clear when asked, that in her view no trans person should be a parent.

She said it right here on mn, several times, just before she was permanently banned from posting.

Disbelieve me if it pleases you. Plenty of mners were here and saw it play out.

Posters and lurkers who weren’t around at the time deserve to hear about the less than shiny side of Posie’s rhetoric.

Save your breath with the insults and undermining.

There was also the time she decided that butch lesbian Dr Finn MacKay must be a trans man because of her failure to perform femininity to Posie’s liking. I always thought that type of thing was deeply misogynist and lesbophobic, but i expect it’ll be different somehow when Posie says it.

In fact, our children are even using it to access their education.

Indeed so it's reassuring to see they take action against those who break their policies. If Posie can't abide by the rules of a service frequently used by children as well as adults then I don't really see what she's got to complain about when she's prevented from using that service.

@jj1968

In fact, our children are even using it to access their education.

Indeed so it's reassuring to see they take action against those who break their policies. If Posie can't abide by the rules of a service frequently used by children as well as adults then I don't really see what she's got to complain about when she's prevented from using that service.

Nah. You're going to have to run that past me again.

It's reasonable for children in a household to be unable to access their school's zoom lessons because their mother speaks on Zoom to other people?

Really? Really?