Posie Parker Zoom

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Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

Objects promoting violence against women. Graham Linehan didn't promote any violence at all.

@Mockolate

I am not justifying it, I'm saying that it's every bit as creative and arty as getting a bunch of objects promoting violence against women and holding an "art exhibition" with them

It's like comparing objects to actual people though.

Not really because the objects in question would never have been an 'art exhibition' without the context of being aimed at threatening women. Unless you're arguing that women aren't actually people?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

See, I think it's a kind of art project. Tasteless and offensive. Just like the "tasteless and offensive" Degenderettes one could be accused of promoting violence against women.

Right. I'm not familiar with this particular Graham Linehan thing, but I'm assuming from this discussion that he has posed as a lesbian on a dating site and then has shared messages that he received from other men also claiming to be lesbians?

No, Graham Lineham has gone onto a queer dating app which openly welcomes trans and non binary members and is sharing pictures of people's profiles, at least one of whom specifically said they were not out. This is an international site, it's quite plausible some of those people could be in countries or situations where they will face violence or arrest if identified. It's not really comparable with a tasteless art show where much of the work was a response to the massacre of 40 LGBT people.

Unless you're arguing that women aren't actually people?

Come again?
Where do you even get that from.
No, I haven't said that, anywhere, at all or even implied.
Of course women are actually people.

For the record by the way, I don't agree with all the fuck terfs stuff but I have absolutely no problem with queer people marching with baseball bats in response to the Pulse Massacre.

It's not really comparable with a tasteless art show where much of the work was a response to the massacre of 40 LGBT people.

Strange that much of their "art" is directed at feminist women they don't agree with, rather than terrorists who massacre LGBT people, then.

I don't agree with all the fuck terfs stuff

Promoting violence against feminist women they don't agree with, to be crystal clear.

Did Graham Linehan actually share any profile pictures from people approximately 2,000km away? (I just googled the distance between Poland and Ireland.)

@Mockolate

Unless you're arguing that women aren't actually people?

Come again?
Where do you even get that from.
No, I haven't said that, anywhere, at all or even implied.
Of course women are actually people.

You said it was comparing objects with people. But the objects in question were specific to threats against women, so it sounded like you considered those women not to be people.

@jj1968

For the record by the way, I don't agree with all the fuck terfs stuff but I have absolutely no problem with queer people marching with baseball bats in response to the Pulse Massacre.

I recall the Pulse massacre, but I wondered if I'd misremembered and so I checked.

It was not committed by a radical feminist. Or even a woman. It was a man. With a history of abusing his wife.

So presumably the exhibition was their reaction to homophobic, religious men who committed domestic violence behind closed doors and escalated to public violence then?

Not blaming women for persecuting rhe LGBT community?

Yes?

Promoting violence against feminist women they don't agree with, to be crystal clear.

Such as this, to the Deputy Prime Minister of Spain, when TRAs hung an effigy of her from a tree recently when she signed a letter against female erasure due to the ^trans political agenda:

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/spains-new-dictatorship

Strange that much of their "art" is directed at feminist women they don't agree with, rather than terrorists who massacre LGBT people, then.

I was just about to say that...

And that 'nuance' can be attributed to them but not to others who don't share the views of some trans activists. And I say some, because there are different views on just what rights trans people should get within the voices of trans people. Just as there are differing feminist views.

The point of this thread is whether women expressing their views on what rights should be maintained wholly for females (however they present) should be regarded as hate by a tech corporation.

And posters who agree that a particular woman is spreading hate by speaking up.

Again, there are also posters on this thread who have a habit of minimising the views of trans people who express different view to them. Strangely, some of the views they support are from people who have said things on social media that cross the lines of offensiveness, even harm to others, but are never sanctioned.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's not really comparable with a tasteless art show where much of the work was a response to the massacre of 40 LGBT people.

Strange that much of their "art" is directed at feminist women they don't agree with, rather than terrorists who massacre LGBT people, then.

Here are some photos from the exhibition: redgoldsparks.tumblr.com/post/174274845728/i-recently-got-to-see-the-degenderettes-antifa-art/amp

The exhibition featured one tshirt which said I punch Terfs and which was eventually removed after objections and rightly so, I think it undermines a lot of what they are trying to do. However this was pretty much the only item that even references gender critical people. The exhibition was not all about 'terfs' they are an openly anti-fascist art collective who have made art in response to violence perpetrated against queer people at a time when the far right movement was on the rise in the US and had carried out a series of violent attacks.

And Graham Linehan's art is in response to TRAs bullying women. It's all art, no one can object, art is in the eye of the beholder!

The point of this thread is whether women expressing their views on what rights should be maintained wholly for females (however they present) should be regarded as hate by a tech corporation.

Yes, though I'm not sure it's possible to get it back on track now!

Incidentally if you go on the Degenderettes website you can see the merchandise they currently produce. There is no mention of 'terfs' or feminists or incitement to violence against women of any kind. Queer people in the US have just had five years of Trump and growing far right violence. The gender critical movement in the US barely exists. I know it seems hard for some people to understand but not everything in the world is about gender critical feminists from the UK.

No one said it was about the U.K. Believe it or not there are plenty of gender critical feminists in the US.

@PotholeParadies

Did Graham Linehan actually share any profile pictures from people approximately 2,000km away? (I just googled the distance between Poland and Ireland.)

I imagine most of them came from considerably further away given it's an app which originated in the US.

I remember the Degenderettes perfectly well from 2018, when they were pushing their groundbreaking "hit women we don't agree with" art, thanks. No need to check out their current merch.

Why not check out Posie's latest T shirt designs?

The gender critical movement in the US barely exists.

This is nonsense. It's easier to mobilise within the U.K.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The gender critical movement in the US barely exists.

This is nonsense. It's easier to mobilise within the U.K.

As JJ is fond of telling us, just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean that it is.

By which I mean JJ seems to want to believe that it doesn't exist.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I remember the Degenderettes perfectly well from 2018, when they were pushing their groundbreaking "hit women we don't agree with" art, thanks. No need to check out their current merch.

Funny how the only group their merchandise specifially threatens is women, hmmn?