Posie Parker Zoom

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Posie Parker has been warned by Zoom that her account may be suspended for promoting hate. Now she can sometimes go a bit far, but as far as I am aware all she does is deny TWAW, which is still supported by UK and probably US law. Are they going to ban the UK government when it debates trans rights too. This is absolutely terrifying over reach. Can anyone still be in denial about the deeply illiberal nature of this shit show. What have we let happen under our noses. What are we still letting happen? What is wrong with people? Why can't they see?

Here's another case. Five year old girl. School toilet. How do you think she feels about going to the toilet or even attending school?

For balance, the details of this case are heavily disputed, including whether the assault actually took place, and whether the accused (who was also 5) was actually in the girl's bathroom. An investigation by the Department of Education could not substantiate that the incident happened: decaturish.com/2020/06/department-of-education-cant-substantiate-assault-in-oakhurst-bathroom-finds-title-ix-violations/

I wonder if the increase in popularity of her merchandise, and it becoming a bit of a secret handshake thing amongst women, has anything to do with it.

Indeed.

Of course they're disputed, jj.

The victim was five, no adults saw the incident, and there is no CCTV. When adult women are attacked, it's always "disputed" whether the incident occurred, too.

According to a summary provided by police, “Staff advised a parent reported that on November 16, 2017 her 5-year-old daughter disclosed that a male classmate, who is also 5-years-old, made non-consensual sexual contact with her while inside of the girl’s restroom on November 10, 2017. Due to the suspect’s age, there will be no criminal prosecution regarding the incident. Referrals were made to the Department of Family and Children’s Services.”

But let's just suppose it never happened. And consider the word "safeguarding".

Under normal circumstances, if I had an intimate examination from a male HCP, there would be a female chaperone. For him as well as me.

Funny how safeguarding goes out of the window when the trans word is mentioned.

@Mockolate

Or have you just seen the photo of a trans woman who tweets a lot about her fencing hobby holding a fencing sword in a municipal looking area that could well be a fencing club?

That's interesting, so it's not actually definitely a toilet?
As I've seen on here a post like that a few times if that's the one that's really meant - see, this is where context would be good instead of just look at this picture, see what "they" do?

Here's the picture, it is clearly a fencing sword and there's no indication she's in a toilet.

The baseball bat thing began as an art project in response to the Pulse massacre. I'm not aware of any pictures of trans people carrying them in toilets.

Then the Pulse shooting happened, and I impulsively bought a dozen more blem bats off eBay to hand out at an upcoming trans march. I was imagining, like, a choreographed color guard routine with bats instead of wooden rifles, to declare we were still alive and not afraid of being visible.

www.maskmagazine.com/the-proximity-issue/struggle/the-degenderettes

Thanks, that's the one I've seen here, never in this context though.
Just as a "why would you want this person in your spaces" type thing, or "not coming in my toilet" type comment
as if she's automatically someone to be afraid of.

There's a thread about this TRA here. With many of their concerning tweets. Judge for yourself.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3660642-Taking-a-sword-to-the-toilets

Ah yes the Degenderettes "art project":

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/06/21574/

The exhibit includes shirtss^ that read “Your apathy is killing us” and “I punch TERFs.” There are also numerous weapons displayed throughout the exhibit, including a large cardboard sculpture of a skeleton with phallus holding an axe, six brightly-colored baseball bats, and a series of weaponss^ labelled a “femme sledgehammer” and “trans labrys (axe).” In a recent panel discussionn^ held at the library, members of Degenderettes claimed that the bats and axes were intended to create a “safe space” for those who feel “unsafe.” While transgender ideology claims to “defy gender normss^,” what this show demonstrates is merely a repetition of male violence presented as art.

That particular photo may not be of that particular person in the ladies toilets with a sword. But the question 'do you want this person in your female only spaces?' is still a reasonable one. And no, unsurprisingly I don't want to be in close proximity to someone who openly boasts of freaking out women by being in their toilets.

I suppose that's probably transphobic though, thinking that an angry person boasting about frightening women might be threatening in some way?

I really don't know how any TRAs have the brass neck to lecture women on not being sufficiently kind and welcoming, if we are to judge all groups by the words of individual members.

and a series of weaponss^ labelled a “femme sledgehammer” and “trans labrys (axe)

You do know what the symbol of the lesbian radical feminist movement is don't you?

I don't agree with everything the Degenderettes have ever done, but they are primarily an art project, there is no evidence of them stalking women's toilets with baseball bats.

I know right? Imagine automatically thinking that someone who talks of dehumanising women before killing them is a threat, when they have clearly done nothing beyond having an enthusiasm for both fencing and wearing dresses!

Straw man. Don't put words into my mouth, jj. So Graham Linehan joining a lesbian dating site is a kind of "art project", really, isn't it? And documenting the various people who post their profiles on a public site. I'm sure you agree that there are no limits when it comes to artistic expression and no one can ever object!

You do know what the symbol of the lesbian radical feminist movement is don't you?

So cultural appropriation too?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I really don't know how any TRAs have the brass neck to lecture women on not being sufficiently kind and welcoming, if we are to judge all groups by the words of individual members.

Interesting, innit. We're all of us bad and showing our true colours because some of us agree with what one woman said, or because we seek to put her words in context (while others disagree with and distance themselves from her). And it is talking - a woman words that means our whole group's fight to uphold our rights is unjust.

But every single time an individual from the group who oppose these rights commits a violent act against one of us, we are told it's not fair to tar all members of the group with the same brush. That generalising about a whole group because of the actions of one member is in itself a hateful act that proves our fight to uphold our rights is unjust.

So Graham Linehan joining a lesbian dating site is a kind of "art project", really, isn't it? And documenting the various people who post their profiles on a public site.

No, Graham Lineham is outing people and potentially placing people at serious risk. That is very different to a tasteless or offensive art exhibition which nobody is compelled to attend.

We're all of us bad and showing our true colours because some of us agree with what one woman said

Erm..... for the second time, I actually said there's a range of views on here, from moderate ones to extemist ones.
That it's not all the same.
So why try and say "painting us all as bad?"
No, not said that at all.

See, I think it's a kind of art project. Tasteless and offensive. Just like the "tasteless and offensive" Degenderettes one could be accused of promoting violence against women.

Interesting, innit. We're all of us bad and showing our true colours because some of us agree with what one woman said, or because we seek to put her words in context (while others disagree with and distance themselves from her). And it is talking - a woman words that means our whole group's fight to uphold our rights is unjust.

But every single time an individual from the group who oppose these rights commits a violent act against one of us, we are told it's not fair to tar all members of the group with the same brush. That generalising about a whole group because of the actions of one member is in itself a hateful act that proves our fight to uphold our rights is unjust.

Perfectly put, Charley

Going onto dating apps and outing users on your Twitter page where people can then mock and comment on them is absolutely not the same as an art exhibition.

Right. I'm not familiar with this particular Graham Linehan thing, but I'm assuming from this discussion that he has posed as a lesbian on a dating site and then has shared messages that he received from other men also claiming to be lesbians?

And to recap, that is dangerous, and putting people's safety at risk?

Whereas baseball bats and incitement to violence and blood spattered t shirts saying I punch TERFS is just art and anyone who disagrees doesn't understand it?

What a crazy bit of logic that is.

I don't think a group of shitty pink and blue objects promoting violence against women can be properly termed an "art exhibition", so there we go.

That seems to be the special pleading we're encountering here, well.

Right. I'm not familiar with this particular Graham Linehan thing, but I'm assuming from this discussion that he has posed as a lesbian on a dating site and then has shared messages that he received from other men also claiming to be lesbians?

He posted on a dating site which claimed to be a lesbian site but is full of very obvious male people. He posted a few of their profiles for context, but is mostly now having a laugh with filters and posting outlandish pictures of himself and what many people would find comical as his faked profile wording. It's quite common, rightly or wrongly, for people to share dating profiles to their crowd on social media if they find something to comment on. It's not in any way exclusive to gender critical people.

I am not justifying it, I'm saying that it's every bit as creative and arty as getting a bunch of objects promoting violence against women and holding an "art exhibition" with them.

I am not justifying it, I'm saying that it's every bit as creative and arty as getting a bunch of objects promoting violence against women and holding an "art exhibition" with them

It's like comparing objects to actual people though.