How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

[hallouminatus]

On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

@Cpl1586407

Lol as if anyone on this board is going to say "oh yes, me, I describe myself as cis"

Anyone is free to post, and a few people have declared themselves cisgender. If that's how you identify by all means say so, and it'd be good if you could explain what you mean by it and why it matters to you. And if you've got any evidence that many people in the general population do identify as cisgender then you're welcome to present it.

I wonder, apropos of nothing, what the relative numbers are of 'people who identify as cisgender' versus 'people who like taking a pop at feminists'.

I am a biological female. I am a woman; an adult human female. I will never accept (or tick) the cisgender option.

To identify as 'cis' you'd have to think that what makes a woman is not the body, but some other 'inner quality'; but in contradiction to that and at the same time, you'd also have to hold to a more reality based definition of sex in the first place to 'identify as' a woman at all.

'Identifying as' a woman therefore implies feeling you conform to gendered expectations of what a woman was is supposed to think, feel and behave like, but that your body has got nothing to do with anything.

Lol as if anyone on this board is going to say "oh yes, me, I describe myself as cis"

And yet, posters have come and said it. There are many who do agree and who regularly post that they do.

However, does it surprise you to see that there are so many who reject the term and reject the reason for its use? have you been led to believe that it is only a few women who disagree?

Nope. I do not consent to being categorised as a subset of my own sex. I'm not a type of woman. I AM a woman.

@Justhadathought

To identify as 'cis' you'd have to think that what makes a woman is not the body, but some other 'inner quality'; but in contradiction to that and at the same time, you'd also have to hold to a more reality based definition of sex in the first place to 'identify as' a woman at all.

'Identifying as' a woman therefore implies feeling you conform to gendered expectations of what a woman was is supposed to think, feel and behave like, but that your body has got nothing to do with anything.

Yes I have noted this too and think it's odd as to me it cancels out the whole idea of people being trans at all.

If a woman's body has nothing to do with whether she is a woman or not and gender is generally regarded as an artificial societal construct, then the urge to live as the opposite sex to the one you were born with is invalid surely?

Nope. All man...no cis involved......

work in a very supine sector - dreading the exhortation to use pronouns. That is a small, unregarded mound I will argue on endlessly until I am left alone.

Body dysmorphia would still exist.. focus on hated of your body

Likely to affect teenagers coping with body changes

Probably affects a tiny number of children from birth... my mam taught primary for over 40 years and only ever came across one child who got confused about what sex they were

Nope!

I can't recall exactly who the writer was, but in the latest Radical Notion issue, someone describes 'cis' as the gluing of gender to sex and I thought that's an excellent description.
As others have said, I find it deeply offensive to be told that most women naturally fit the gender stereotypes of womanhood. I don't accept that for myself or for anyone else.
I think of 'cis' in the same way as I think of 'surrendered wives'. I know there are women who identify as such and believe in it deeply, but it's sure as hell not anything close to feminist or close to progressive.

Nope. I am what I am. Not cis or trans, just a person of the female sex.

If I had to pick it’d be nb but not because I’m GNC, just because to naval gaze to the extent that one is self-analysing their own gender to even decide if I self-categorise as “cis” isn’t an activity that’s relevant enough to me to want to indulge in confirming either way; it’s a broadly offensive and derogatory unnecessary terminology so not really willing to engage with or identify through the lens of such self-indulgent phraseology.

Most won't know what it is.

Those who do will either accept it, to be kind or reject it as they understand that they are not a subset of women, they are actually women.

Anyone who wants to argue the semantics hasn't followed the evidence of political parties and the men and non men membership categories; Stonewalls stating aim if removing sex as a protected characteristic; charitti s for specifically female issues removing the word woman or female from their dictionary ( yet male ones retain their sexed speech) and many, many other issues.

Easiest way to illustrate the above, showing I am not prejudiced, bigoted or TERFy is to look at transwomen in sport.

Transwomen and ciswomen happily compete together, females one and all... but the pictures may gib!

Not me

@Winesalot

Lol as if anyone on this board is going to say "oh yes, me, I describe myself as cis"

And yet, posters have come and said it. There are many who do agree and who regularly post that they do.

However, does it surprise you to see that there are so many who reject the term and reject the reason for its use? have you been led to believe that it is only a few women who disagree?

Many on this board or this thread identifying as cis? I've only seen one poster - after another read of the thread, my mistake for getting ahead of myself.

I see the topics on this board roll through the active threads section, and no I'm not surprised women on this board don't want to be referred to as cis.

I first came across it in a conversation where I was offended that trans women were allowed to be referred to as just “women” but I had to be referred to as a “cis woman”. After googling why was I called out and named and not allowed to just be a woman like the trans woman and any other blue alien/ man/woman/frog that’s wants to identify as a woman. If it’s bad to refer to a trans woman as a trans woman not a woman, then the same for cis.
Everyone can be what they want to be 🙂

I also object to the term especially when TRAs tell us 'cis' women how we oppress transwomen, and how easy we have it compared to them.

I'm 'cis' in the sense that I don't have a mental condition that convinces me I'm in the wrong body. These days even a lot of trans people don't have that condition.

I'm not 'cis' in the sense of feeling a powerful affinity with femininity or female gender roles, which is how 'cis' is usually meant these days.

No I will never identify cis. I am not a subset of my own biological class.

Many on this board or this thread identifying as cis?
I didn't say 'many'. You implied no-one.

@ErrolTheDragon well 'a few' did imply more than one, but apologies for my error all the same!

Not me and I find it offensive

I know plenty of women who will call themselves cisgender because to them is just means 'not-trans' because that is how it has been sold to them. They have no idea of the baggage behind that word.

I don't identify as anything. I'm a woman. And that's it.

@Thislittlefinger123

Ps I'm surprised someone on the other side of the debate was asking you for evidence, evidence isn't really something they want to get into is it, that could lead them on a dangerous road to facts, and, you know, science

you understand that studies have shown that being trans is supported by mainstream science, right? Like, trans women's brains match female brains more than male brains, and vice versa with trans men? No one is trying to argue that biological sex isn't real, it's just only a part of the story for some people...