How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

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On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

I won't collude with an ideology that tells me I'm now a subset of women because the term women now includes men. So no, I'm not cis.

Embarrassed to say without having to google im still not entirely sure what it means (what you were born as?)

I’m a woman 🤷‍♀️

No, I am just a woman.
Not a ‘type’ of woman. Or a woman without a penis.

Cisgender / cis means that you voluntarily identify with feminine gender stereotypes.

As a whole, I never come across this type of discussion in real life or any other context at all. If you don't have any trans people in your life I can imagine you could live your life without coming anywhere close to the term cis

This stuff will touch everyone. I got a form to fill in from my kids school for his boosters that had what gender were you at birth instead of sex. Which I changed it back to.

This is weaseling its way in and people simply aren't paying attention. Those who haven't noticed yet will now they've seen it once. Whether it matters to then is another matter.

I dont identify as anything
I am a woman

Oh - actually I can. It's another c word

@gamerchick

As a whole, I never come across this type of discussion in real life or any other context at all. If you don't have any trans people in your life I can imagine you could live your life without coming anywhere close to the term cis

This stuff will touch everyone. I got a form to fill in from my kids school for his boosters that had what gender were you at birth instead of sex. Which I changed it back to.

This is weaseling its way in and people simply aren't paying attention. Those who haven't noticed yet will now they've seen it once. Whether it matters to then is another matter.

Oh right yeah, tbh I have filled in forms asking whether I identify as male, female or non-binary but that's it I think. But haven't come across terms like cis outside of the trans discussion.

I don't mind the inclusion of extra options for trans people but not the erasure of the word woman or the whole chest-feeding thing. I saw someone on twitter earlier say that the promotion of breastfeeding promoted 'lactating humans' over 'non-lactating trans-mothers'. That annoyed me - trans people are mothers but women are 'lactating humans'.

I’m a woman.
I was born a girl and now I’m a woman.
Other people can say they’re cisgender if they want to, doesn’t bother me, but don’t try to include me.

I saw someone on twitter earlier say that the promotion of breastfeeding promoted 'lactating humans' over 'non-lactating trans-mothers'. That annoyed me - trans people are mothers but women are 'lactating humans

And what’s best for the baby doesn’t even come into it.

No. I don't identify as a cis woman. Especially if cis is meant to imply privilege.

I am agender, meaning I identify with masculine and feminine stereotypes. This makes me non cis and as cis&trans is binary, if I am not cis, I have to be transgender. So I am a transgender woman (woman as in sex class) but not a transwoman as I am not male and also not a transman as I don't identify as a man.

But say online I am a transgender woman but not a transwoman I get flamed and accussed of appropriating transwomens struggles.
You really could not make this up....

@sanluca

I am agender, meaning I identify with masculine and feminine stereotypes. This makes me non cis and as cis&trans is binary, if I am not cis, I have to be transgender. So I am a transgender woman (woman as in sex class) but not a transwoman as I am not male and also not a transman as I don't identify as a man.

But say online I am a transgender woman but not a transwoman I get flamed and accussed of appropriating transwomens struggles.
You really could not make this up....

I would suggest most people are agender then. I am a woman, heterosexual, but I don't wear make-up or dresses and have no interest in fashion or shopping, so I don't conform to female stereotype. But stereotypes are bollocks anyway, as very few people are stereotypical. My husband is very emotional, does that make him agenda, of course it doesn't, but that isn't stereotypical male either.

I do have one friend who used cis terminology on a FB post and wasn't particularly surprised but she is quite out there in terms of the people I know. On the other hand, I wrote a very stern letter to the BBC about the use of cis-women on Front Row noting that cis was superfluous and that we are women, pure and simple.

I don't "identify" as anything, I just am. That's how I feel anyway.

I reject the concept of gender. To me, gender is the way to put people into boxes and then keep them there. I admit to not being well versed in this so i'm not wording it well but, again this is just how I feel, i'm a woman because I am an adult female. I like pink and glitter because that's my personality. I also like climbing and football because that's my personality.

Probably makes no sense!

CIS to me is an unnecessary addition to the word woman. Woman is enough, thanks.

I have no idea when someone is what gender. As far as I can tell, you can claim whatever you want. So I claim agender. On the plus side then people can't start dismissing me as a cis woman, they have to take me seriously as otherwise their own claims fall apart. It stops them using cis as 'sit down and shut up'

I don’t identify as cisgender.

I am female, and I conform to some gender stereotypes, but not all of them.

I think we can make analogies with theism.
Many people nowadays are atheists - consciously rejecting the idea of god. They know that others are theists of various types and will often debate the subject. Some are antitheists who see belief in god(s) as actively harmful.

But most are apatheists - they just don't give a shit about it.

I'd suggest many MN feminists are akin to the first group (agender or anti-genderists), but the general population is more the second - completely apathetic about the concept of 'gender identity'.

I'm a woman and don't have a gender identity. I'm not and never have been 'cis'.

Here is someone explaining much better than I could some reasons why people object to using or being described as "cis" - it ultimately leads to sex-based rights being un-enforceable (and perhaps that's the point of it).
notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2020/07/16/objections-to-cis/

In addition, if "all" cis means is identifying with the gender (i.e. stereotypes) that are traditionally imposed on your sex, then it's still a no from me.

You're asking if I identify into my own oppression, as if I could choose otherwise? Or maybe I'm just naturally predisposed to being oppressed? How many women identify with gender stereotypes really?

It's a meaningless term designed to make women feel they have a duty to "be kind" and cede space/ rights/ autonomy to those special few who boldly "break out" of the gender system, never mind the fact they do so by forcing everyone else to sit in a box that says "I'm okay with being oppressed".

I think using the word cis is very offensive.

Umm I guess I do in the sense that I identify as the sex/gender I was born with. But I wouldn't use the term

Of course sex and gender are not the exact same thing.

Can i ask you In what ways would you say you 'identify as' your sex?

And in what ways do you' identify as' your gender? ( I'm assuming that you mean female?)

What, in your mind, would you say is the difference between simply 'being' and 'identifying as' a woman.

I am agender, meaning I identify with masculine and feminine stereotypes

Aren't we all, though? Who conforms to every gendered expectation of their sex?

Yeah, that’s not being ‘agender’ - that’s just being a normal person, like all the rest of us barring the most ridiculous caricatures, who is who he or she is and doesn’t actually fit in a box called ‘masculine traits’ or ‘feminine traits.’

Lol as if anyone on this board is going to say "oh yes, me, I describe myself as cis"