How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

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On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

I don't identify as any gender.

I identify as female.

And have spent my life resisting and challenging gender expectations.

And defending the rights of people to present whatever 'gender expectations' they like without being bullied or discriminated against. Want to wear a shirt and tie, shorten Georgia to George and watch the footie with your hands down your trousers - absolutely fine by me.

Want to Change from John to Jan , swap your plain black lace-ups for Jimmy Choos and grow your hair into an 'updo' length - great.

But don't expect to be able to compete against me or my daughter on an athletics track or in a velodrome.

I don’t ‘identify’ as female. I simply am female, as dictated by my biology and observed and recorded at birth.

I am a woman - adult human female.

I'm a woman.

I'm not a cis anything. IDGAF if someone says they're trans, just don't expect me to change something about myself in order to accommodate your internal nonsense.

ps. can we do something about this 'assigned' at birth claptrap. I hear it more and more. Surely its 'observed'?

I'm not cis woman

I am a woman

I am not a subcategory of woman!!!

@WhoWants2Know

I certainly do not identify as cisgender because gender is bullshit. I am a biological female.

This.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You need to report the posts. If you don't report it will stay up.

I have done in the past and they've been left up.

This is how I identify myself :
Female
Woman
Mother
Wife
Daughter
If spoken about - her /she.

And it's supposed to be banned on here and yet I keep seeing it

I think it depends on the context

So people can call themselves cis, can refer to cis people but cant call you cis

I think...

I might have made that up

I don't think it's conducive to civil discussion when as we see here, so many women resent it being imposed on them. That's why MN originally proscribed it.

They have definitely deleted posts using it before.

Isn't it absolutely mind boggling that people still don't know about this CIS bollocks?

Do people live under rocks? I just can't get my head round it.

I expect my cousin's daughter, who binned me off Facebook for posting something in support of JK Rowling when she was receiving rape and death threats - I bet she wouldn't mind being described as "cis".

1.To 'identify as' something involves a mental/conceptual construction involving certain perceived qualities.

1. When you' identify as' something - you attach yourself to these qualities, or you see these qualities as belonging to yourself

1. These qualities tend to involve a list of prescribed characteristics; or what one may call stereotypes or characterised presentations. They may involve in conforming to typical behaviours or actions that are seen as being common to that thing you 'identify as'.

1. A woman is the universally acknowledged term for an adult human female.

1. 'Femininity' & 'masculinity' are largely social constructs that shift and vary according to time and culture. They can be expressed by either males or females - even though there are often social prohibitions around certain presentations depending on one's sex.

1. To identify as a member of the sex that you are not would seem to imply or indicate identifying with, or being attracted to, certain kinds of presentation that is seen as being typical of that sex.

1. Such identities tend to shift and change throughout one's life, as one attaches oneself to new presentations or qualities, and rejects or moves on from old ones.

No. It means that you accept all the gendered stereotypes, rules and expectations of society which come under femininity and I reject that, I reject gender and I have rejected gender since I was a teenager. Now I'm in my forties I am certainly not going to start identifying with that bullcrap now.

I won't be labelled by people overly dependent on labels so they can sort their tiny, narrow worlds into good and bad and pack people away neatly into boxes. People aren't that easy to tidy away and I won't be labelled by others to become a sub section of my own biological sex. I'm a woman because I was born female.

So people can call themselves cis, can refer to cis people but cant call you cis

That seems to be the rule, more or less. I don't think it should be allowed to "refer to cis people" since either it excludes all women who don't identify themselves as cis (and that's most of us!) or else it does include many women who find the term "cis" insulting. Or both, at the same time. And I can't offhand think of another offensive term for which "refer to offensive-term people" would be allowed.

Do people live under rocks? I just can't get my head round it

Kind of..........in that most people are not that politically minded. Being politically minded tends to involve an ability to conceptualise abstract thoughts and ideas; and to be able to mentally manipulate and shape them into some form; or to have the tendency to perceive human behaviour at that level.

Most people are primarily social creatures in orientation. They want to conform to a group norm, or to belong to a tribe. Most people will adapt and accommodate themselves to fit in with group consensus, because the feeling of safety that comes from having lots of friends or group approval is what they seek above all.

Many people will not really question or investigate the concept of 'cis' or 'trans' - they will tend to accept what they are told by the group; and as such people will adopt certain labels as a means, and a way to belong; as well as a commitment to the desired tribe.

I didn’t even know what it meant until I was called it yesterday but now I’ve looked it up I find it very offensive. I’m a woman it doesn’t need any more definition than that.

There's a gender census doing the rounds, for people who do not feel their gender expression fits neatly into boxes.
It has a question about honorifics (Dr/Mx/Mr/Miss etc) that failed to include Mrs as an option.
I may have mentioned this in the comments section.
https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/GenderCensus2021/

That seems to be the rule, more or less. I don't think it should be allowed to "refer to cis people" since either it excludes all women who don't identify themselves as cis (and that's most of us!) or else it does include many women who find the term "cis" insulting. Or both, at the same time.

Exactly. I think it should be an outright ban, or less speech policing generally. Either or.

I strongly object to being referred to as cisgender.
I’m a woman.
I don’t need other people to label me otherwise.

Umm I guess I do in the sense that I identify as the sex/gender I was born with. But I wouldn't use the term.

I feel that it's madness to try and force the term 'cis' into the mainstream in order to mollify a small minority. I wouldn't ever use the term cis as I don't feel it's necessary for most people in a day-to-day context.

I support people's rights to live as they please and have zero issues with trans people at all, but I do feel like the campaign at the moment to change language, particularly surrounding women, is harmful and unnecessary.

I completely reject gender identity ideology so the term "cis" is presumptuous, meaningless nonsense to me. It is a loaded term, as it is primarily used to construct a false axis of privilege between women and male people who identify as women but face few of the issues we do.

I'm not cisgender. I'm a woman. I wear what I like, but still have to take into account boobs and periods.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

Isn't it absolutely mind boggling that people still don't know about this CIS bollocks?

Do people live under rocks? I just can't get my head round it.

Tbh I only really ever see this type of heated discussion re trans issues on here or on twitter. And a few news articles about JK Rowling.

As a whole, I never come across this type of discussion in real life or any other context at all. If you don't have any trans people in your life I can imagine you could live your life without coming anywhere close to the term cis.