Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

[aliasundercover]

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

They don't. It isn't actually a penis.

Should a trans man, with a penis, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

Do you think they would want to? This hypothetical transman has made a huge decision: presumably they would have taken into account that this might put constraints on their life.

To the misogynist straight men who chant TWAW, they must, logically, also think TMAM. If the wives/partners of these men identified as men, would they be willing to declare themselves to now be in a homosexual relationship?

I ask because I question how many of them are aware of the transwidow stories, and how the narrative in trans ideology circles seems to focus on how mean women are.

It's telling really how many misogynists back the TWAW stuff. Never gave a shit about women's rights but suddenly "oh, of course transwomen are women! Move over and shut up you other women, show some respect for these ultra-oppressed women! And did I mention they have penises?"

Mine is:

Since when is puberty an illness that needs a medical intervention?

Female people should always be entitled to female spaces.
Entitlement is a fundamental principle conferred by sex. Extra provision is potentially an option - not a mandatory one - for those females who have altered their appearance so dramatically as to WANT to self-exclude from spaces with their own sex.

penis
/ˈpiːnɪs/
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noun
the male genital organ of higher vertebrates, carrying the duct for the transfer of sperm during copulation. In humans and most other mammals it consists largely of erectile tissue and is used also for urination.

jj do transmen have such an organ?

You seem remarkably reluctant to answer.

Several people did answer. It's not a penis, so no FTM trans person will be getting a penis out anywhere, as only males have penises. HTH.

You seem remarkably reluctant to answer.

Given the very poor outcomes of such surgery, I would hope the numbers of transmen who undergo such procedures will remain very low. As to your question the answer is why not, as transmen don't have male sexual organs and also unlike transwomen who share the same patterns of criminality as all other males, transmen, being female, pose no higher risk to me than any other females.

@EdgeOfACoin

penis /ˈpiːnɪs/ Learn to pronounce noun the male genital organ of higher vertebrates, carrying the duct for the transfer of sperm during copulation. In humans and most other mammals it consists largely of erectile tissue and is used also for urination.

jj do transmen have such an organ?

Would you say to someone who has had nose reconstruction surgery you don't have a nose, you have cartilage from your chest stuck on your face? It's incredibly offensive to anyone who has had some form of reconstructive surgery.

But that's up to you I guess, so..

Should a trans man, who has had genital surgery, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

Should a trans man, with a penis, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

That cannot happen. Transmen are female. They might have had surgery to create a vaguely penis looking piece of flesh. It is not a penis.

So, yes, it is fine for any transman to be in communal changing with teenage girls.

@334bu

*You seem remarkably reluctant to answer.*

Given the very poor outcomes of such surgery, I would hope the numbers of transmen who undergo such procedures will remain very low. As to your question the answer is why not, as transmen don't have male sexual organs and also unlike transwomen who share the same patterns of criminality as all other males, transmen, being female, pose no higher risk to me than any other females.

And you have the right to consent on behalf of any woman who might object do you?

So now consent matters

@Whatwouldscullydo

So now consent matters

Consistency matters.

And you have the right to consent on behalf of any woman who might object do you?

You are quite right jj , as a woman I can only speak for myself. However, I assume, the space being used is one that has been designated for the use of the female sex, so what possible right would I have to bar any member of that sex from using the facility? Transmen are all members of the female sex and therefore have the same rights as I to use these spaces.

Transmen are female. They have every right to use the female facilities.. I'm.not worried about females however they present regardless of any attempts at surgery.

If they use the mens and men.objevt they can start their own fight. It's their problem and we are too busy fighting for even being allowed a word to concern ourselves with doing mens jobs fir them too.

What we don't consent to is males.of any presentation. Especially those who don't usually give a damn about consent until they feel they can use it against us.

But that is the issue, isn't it? Thank to trans ideology consistency is out of the window. We used to not have that much of a problem with transexuals, we were kind. Then in marched ideology that having a penis doesn't mean you can't barge into womens spaces and any women who objects, should leave.

So no, jj, the fact some transgender people have sex reassignment surgery, does not mean all males can come into womens spaces. Still a no.

Another question:

Should male HCPs be allowed to conduct intimate examinations on female patients without a female chaperone, if the male HCP says that they identify as a woman?

Should a trans man, who has had genital surgery, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

I don't see why not. They're women, and as such don't pose a threat to teenage girls.

Why not take a look at the number of male-to-female trans people in prison for sex offences, and then look at the number of female-to-male trans people in prison for sex offences? Educate yourself.

Transmen are female. They have every right to use the female facilities.. I'm.not worried about females however they present regardless of any attempts at surgery.

You might not mind, I'm sure plenty of people would mind someone who is virtually indistinguishable from other men exposing their genitals in spaces where teenage girls are undressing.

Of course this could all be prevented by getting rid of communal changing rooms, which for some reason seems wildly unpopular on here, almost as if some people don't really want a solution that works for everyone because this isn't really about single sex spaces but about driving trans people out of society.

Consistency matters.

It certainly does. Knowing that when someone says the word woman they are referring to an adult human female makes life a lot more straightforward.

A man is not and can never be a woman.

Why are you trying to persuade me a man can be a woman? I think that would be one of my questions.

A solution that would have worked was third spaces. Some thing most people would have been happy to donate to or fight for etc

Why blame women ? It wasn't us who broadened the term trans to mean anyone amd everyone who doesn't conform to stereotypes and vastly increased the numbers we are talking about. That's not on us. Take it up with those responsible

You might not mind, I'm sure plenty of people would mind someone who is virtually indistinguishable from other men exposing their genitals in spaces where teenage girls are undressing.

I expect plenty of people would mind. You seem to think that is something reasonable to object to.

I expect more people would mind actual men being in women's changing rooms. Yet this is ridiculous to object to.

Fascinating. And that's why the Staniland question is so good, it explicitly states what women men want to happen.

How do the feelings of a small number of people reduce women's need for safety?