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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

511 replies

aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

OP posts:
Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 18/02/2021 01:05

If a prisoner identifies as a woman only some of the time (such as Pippa Bunce) would it be right to drive them between male and female prisons depending on how they felt that day?

also:
Should a woman be punished for not wanting to get undressed with a transwoman?

(There was a girl in the USA removed from a changing room at a school for objecting to changing with a male to f trans student).

Barracker · 18/02/2021 01:07

Part 1: Should 'transwomen' be allowed to distinguish themselves from members of the male sex, or should they be forced to share space unwillingly?

Part 2: Should women be allowed to?

HeadIsFucked · 18/02/2021 01:13

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

If aggressive men can enter a women's toilet at any time if they really wanted to assault a woman, why do transwomen think it's safer in there than the men's toilets?
Given sex and gender are not the same thing (acknowledged by both sides. One of the only things on paper they agree on), why does changing ones gender, have any bearing whatsoever on single sex spaces? Why claim gender is different, but then at the same time try to conflate it with sex, despite them being different things, as agreed!
OnceUponANightmare · 18/02/2021 01:45

@Cloudyz7

If you took 100 babies (hypothetically of course!) off to an isolated island and raised them in a completely gender neutral environment (names, hairstyles, clothes, pronouns, toys etc), how would a 'transchild' express to others that they were trans or 'born in the wrong body'?
This!!!
oldwomanwhoruns · 18/02/2021 05:33

@barracker I really like your part 1 & 2 (above).
It exposes the mysogeny so clearly Smile

EdgeOfACoin · 18/02/2021 05:58

@Barracker

Part 1: Should 'transwomen' be allowed to distinguish themselves from members of the male sex, or should they be forced to share space unwillingly?

Part 2: Should women be allowed to?

That's a great question.
HamsterV2 · 18/02/2021 06:35

As someone who is trans..

If transwomen, who identify as/with women, feel unsafe in biological male spaces then why should women share spaces with biological males too?

NotBadConsidering · 18/02/2021 07:28

Why do we segregate by sex in the first place?

A famous transwoman, who was on puberty blockers as a child, then cross sex hormones and then surgery, is on public record as saying they have never and will never experience orgasm. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

newyearnewname123 · 18/02/2021 07:40

Some great questions on here, and good explanations of why some seem like they would "work" but get side-stepped.

It's come to something though that these quite are needed. I look forward to the day that sanity returns to public discourse.

WarriorN · 18/02/2021 08:08

@jj1968

Should a trans man, with a penis, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?

Should a trans man be expected to have life endangering surgery in order to be able to present as "male?"

malloo · 18/02/2021 08:10

Barracker

Part 1: Should 'transwomen' be allowed to distinguish themselves from members of the male sex, or should they be forced to share space unwillingly?

Part 2: Should women be allowed to?

Barracker nails it, as always :)

WarriorN · 18/02/2021 08:16

Of course she does, she's Barracker! Wink

(My phone has her name on spell check...!)

GAHgamel · 18/02/2021 08:54

@Labobo "I wish I had asked this: 'But what does that mean to be a woman in a man's body?
He went on about gender and I challenged it and said gender is dubious because it closes down the range of what a man or a woman can be. But then he gets emotional and starts asking why someone who is suicidal shouldn't be allowed puberty blockers. He has a few trans friends (who doesn't in their teens these days?) and he is very protective of them."
On the puberty blockers question, I'd suggest the fact that the Tavistock's own research says that puberty blockers make no improvement to the psychological function of those that take them (ie they don't get any less suicidal) but causes a number of physical harms such as a detrimental effect on bone density, is a good enough reason.

334bu · 18/02/2021 08:59

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/02/2021 09:03

And only a tiny number have that.

SheGonBringThatAttitudeHome2 · 18/02/2021 09:09

@Collidascope

Do you believe trans men convicts should be placed in a male prison even if they don't want to be?

Some of these suggestions are excellent. The one above is my fave up to now.

Could someone make a list of the best ones please? À la rules of misogyny..

WarriorN · 18/02/2021 09:19

And only a tiny number have that.

Because it's so dangerous and physically harmful.

NotBadConsidering · 18/02/2021 09:30

@334bu

*Should a trans man, with a penis, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?*

No transman has a penis. What they have is a tube of arm tissue grafted on to their groin area. .

A more useful question with regards to a trans man and their “penis” would be to show them those photos of the realities of what it entails and ask “do you honestly think this is something we should be scheduling children for when they grow up?”
Sophicles · 18/02/2021 09:33

This is such a bad time to be a nudist, isn't it?

SheGonBringThatAttitudeHome2 · 18/02/2021 09:38

@Sophicles

This is such a bad time to be a nudist, isn't it?

😂😂😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/02/2021 09:53

Because it's so dangerous and physically harmful.

Yes, just pointing out that it's an infrequent occurrence for FTM trans people to get a "penis" out in communal areas.

MildredPuppy · 18/02/2021 09:55

Do you agree with the aims of safeguarding?

Do you think that there are situations where safeguarding principles are not necessary.

wellthatsunusual · 18/02/2021 10:20

Do you believe it is transphobic to require someone to disclose their previous name for the purposes of carrying out criminal record checks? Eg if someone applies for a job working with vulnerable children.

SheGonBringThatAttitudeHome2 · 18/02/2021 10:56

@wellthatsunusual

Do you believe it is transphobic to require someone to disclose their previous name for the purposes of carrying out criminal record checks? Eg if someone applies for a job working with vulnerable children.

That's a belter.

jj1968 · 18/02/2021 11:54

@Ereshkigalangcleg

And only a tiny number have that.
They still exist. So the question remains:

Should a trans man, with a penis, have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?