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Poor woman, she must have been so scared.

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TheLetterZ · 15/02/2021 17:38

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56071168

Another man who accidentally killed his wife as he ‘flipped’. She was trying to leave, he must have stopped her then strangled her.

I do hope that with the manslaughter sentence he will still have punishment but fear with diminished responsibility he won’t.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 15/02/2021 21:21

@Ornamentalcabbages

Awful. I can't understand what else he could have done for this to be considered murder! As PP said, strangulation is not a quick knee-jerk reaction when you "flip", it involves a prolonged intention...
But apparently booking get away plane tickets abroad the night before drugging your child and then stuffing a sponge down his throat and then suffocating him over the course of several hours isn’t murder either.
ArabellaScott · 15/02/2021 21:23

For some reason the fact she had her keys in her hands has particularly upset me. she was desperately trying to get away and fighting for her life and he kept on.

Yes, this got me too. Horrific. I would also say this points to her knowing very well she was in danger.

Coolerthanapolarbearstoenails · 15/02/2021 21:28

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

It does not take that long.

If he managed to hold her tight enough to cut her arteries off rather than just airflow she could have been dead in 13 seconds.

Coolerthanapolarbearstoenails · 15/02/2021 21:29

Horrific story though and unbelievable he hasn't been charged with murder.

Impatiens · 15/02/2021 21:30

I seem to hear these cases over and over again - always the same - I just snapped/she nagged me/she taunted me/it was an accident. All lies yet the jury goes for it because they feel more sorry for the male murderer than the female victim. I can't understand it.

I've never forgotten this case, I wrote to the Attorney General to ask for a review of an Unduly Lenient sentence but they just said it was a 'very sad' case and the sentence should stand.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-21894015

Clymene · 15/02/2021 21:33

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9262775/Husband-strangled-wife-dressing-gown-cord-cleared-murder.html

Upsetting details in this article.

'psychologist, Dr Damian Gamble, said Williams had no documented history of suffering from depression and had 'no psychiatric defences' available to him, telling the court he believed Williams 'knew what he was doing at the time'.'

It also says he wasn't in court. Can you do that? Just not bother to turn up when you're on trial for murder?

TheLetterZ · 15/02/2021 21:38

@Coolerthanapolarbearstoenails

Horrific story though and unbelievable he hasn't been charged with murder.
He was charged. But then a jury fell for his spiel that he was not in his right mind and so it was only manslaughter with diminished responsibility.

Which is utter bollocks!

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WannabemoreWeaver · 15/02/2021 21:58

@31RooCambon

Wow, he said he wouldn't hurt a fly??. If I'd been the judge I would have added an extra five years for his absolute delusion. He killed a woman trying to get away from him and yet still identifies as a man who wouldn't hurt (a fly).
And had the presence of mind to say it wasnt murder in the car. Bastard.
PurpleKoala · 15/02/2021 22:09

For some reason the fact she had her keys in her hands has particularly upset me. she was desperately trying to get away and fighting for her life and he kept on.

If this man had done this to a burglar fleeing the house, he would have been treated more harshly.

No,he wouldn't hurt a fly but he'd strangle your mother.I had no idea that "heightened anxiety" could be used for "diminished responsibility"

I am sure all the perimenopausal women out there, suffering years of heightened anxiety, are wondering if they can get away with murder too.

The daughter should feel thoroughly ashamed of herself for standing up for this man. He wouldn't hurt a fly, you say? He killed your mum!

LouHotel · 15/02/2021 22:11

This has to be the first domestic violence murder that happened in lockdown, how often is 'lockdown' going to be used as the excuse in trials happening now and this has a set precedent for that being an acceptable sentence.

She was running for her life and he hunted her down like an animal. Once you've had your eyes open to the absolute system of Misogny you can never go back.

ScaredOfDinosaurs · 15/02/2021 22:11

A very similar thing happened to someone I knew a few years ago. Absolutely disgusting that this type of murder is somehow deemed manslaughter.

In my friends case, the husband served less than four years. A complete joke.

RIP Ruth.

Doyoumind · 15/02/2021 22:17

I read about this earlier and it made me so angry. Fed up with juries falling for that defence. I don't believe you just flip and strangle someone like that. I could believe a man would 'just flip' and whack someone (still not an excuse) but you don't chase them around the house and strangle them. That's vicious and sustained.

snow21 · 15/02/2021 22:18

Is there any mechanism for complaining? This just seems unjust, wrong, in every way. How can it be allowed to stand? What message does it give to men in this country? And to women, god help us. Who is advocating for the murdered woman here?

snow21 · 15/02/2021 22:20

And if he did “flip” and murder someone, whatever that word flip means, then he is not safe to walk the streets ever again and should be in a secure institution lest he fucking “flip” again.

persistentwoman · 15/02/2021 22:23

www.itv.com/news/2020-11-28/three-times-more-women-killed-by-men-during-covid-lockdown-charity-reveals

Please note the tone deaf Home Office response talking about 'people'

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 15/02/2021 22:23

I keep thinking about this and getting more and more angry. It's all just a load of pathetic fucking excuses. 5 days into lockdown, loss of his job and routine, bad sleep for a few nights. None of this excuses strangling someone.
His daughter should be ashamed of standing up for him. That psychiatrist who bolstered his excuses should be ashamed. Another one said he had no history and no psychiatric defences to use. But he still got away with it.
Jesus Christ - I live alone with 4 children, me with SEN who is very challenging. I never get enough sleep. Sometimes I feel like I'm losing my mind, and yet I still manage to not kill anyone. It's really not that hard.
And no - you don't get to say you wouldn't hurt a fly, when you've broken your wife's neck, and strangled her to death. What an absolute travesty.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 15/02/2021 22:28

Its a fucking joke, I never "flipped" and stabbed my husband to death when he wanted to leave after years of behaving like an arsehole and making me feel suicidal even though I have a serious mental health condition. I just let him go because there was no alternative.
I bet this poor woman put up with abuse for years and years and he finally carried out his threats to murder her if she left.
Why the hell is this still alloed to happen. Her death should be avenged with the maximum possible sentence and if he just goes around flipping and murdering people he should be in Broadmoor.

Eekay · 15/02/2021 22:35

This is fucking horrific. So many women killed like this. I wish I could say that I'm shocked by the pathetic sentence but I'm not.
No justice for women.

theskyispink · 15/02/2021 22:41

From the BBC article:

More on this story:
Murder-accused 'out of control' with Covid worry
Murder-accused Anthony Williams: 'Like I dreamt it'
Murder-accused Anthony Williams says he planned suicide
Murder-accused man 'choked wife' days into lockdown

A bunch of excuses for murdering a woman as headlines. Disgraceful.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 15/02/2021 22:41

"You saw the text messages passed between them; he was trying to be pleasant and her sending him pretty vile texts in response. This all led to that fatal moment."

Re: the Somerset murder....oh so she sent him vile texts when he was trying to be pleasant so it was ok to murder her then????? WTF!

WarOnWomen · 15/02/2021 22:46

You can ask for a Crown Court sentencing to be reviewed

www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

WarOnWomen · 15/02/2021 22:50

Oh sorry, I don't think manslaughter sentencing can be reviewed.

It's just sickening that another man has got away with it for a horrific crime. It's happening too often.

Thelnebriati · 15/02/2021 22:51

Thanks for the link WarOnWomen, I was just wondering if this fit the criteria to have the case reviewed.

Montespan · 15/02/2021 22:52

I firmly believe that one of the things (one amongst several) that allows this misogynistic crap to be perpetuated in trials is the bar on jurors discussing their experience and concerns.

For instance, if I’d been on a rape jury, and seen misogynistic attitudes in the jury deliberations that shocked me, that reflected contempt for sexually active women, I couldn’t say anything. I also couldn’t say if I’d seen that some of my fellow jurors were so catatonically thick that they couldn’t follow any line of argument at all (either defence or prosecution, or summing up) and just resorted to saying platitudinously ‘how can we know anything about anyone for certain, after all? We’d better just acquit.’

The way men get away with brutally murdering their wives and partners is a disgrace to our society. In order to fight it we need whistleblowers to be able to come forward & speak about their jury experiences. About the stupidity and sexism they’ve seen.

If I’d been in a jury like that theoretical one I described, I might have noticed that the judge was clearly appalled and disgusted by the not guilty verdict. Maybe the same was true in this case. Have to wait to see how the judge treats sentencing I suppose.

Poor woman, what an appalling way to go.

HopeClearwater · 15/02/2021 22:56

@PlanDeRaccordement you know that was a case where the mother was and remains seriously mentally ill. She’s been detained under a hospital order. That simply doesn’t happen unless there is extremely strong evidence of psychiatric illness.

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