Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall -thread 2

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950877-Allison-Bailey-to-sue-Stonewall

Allison's website allisonbailey.co.uk

Statement

First and foremost, I hope that my legal action will bring me justice. I also hope that it can stop Stonewall from policing free speech via its Diversity Champions scheme.

Stonewall have signed up many companies, public bodies, voluntary sector organisations and government departments to their manifesto and their value system regarding trans rights. What is called Stonewall Law. Without most of the public realising it, a large swathe of British employers have signed up to the Stonewall value system. It has done this by trying to silence and vilify women like me who have genuine concerns about how its approach to trans inclusivity conflicts with the protections, safety and dignity of women, girls, children and LGB people.

We cannot achieve a just outcome for everyone while Stonewall are free to threaten women like me with the loss of our livelihoods and reputations. Stonewall must be held to account. I intend to do just that.

And to add to an old codger's reminiscences, I can remember being a show which did a stint at a gay bar - well, I say a gay bar - it was a moveable feast - every Saturday night we'd wait for the telephone call to see where we were to perform later that night, because it was all illegal, and had to be kept secret.

That’s awful. It also reminds me of the early Women’s Place / We Need to Talk etc meetings where the venue details would have to be released at the last minute to avoid sabotage by the TRAs... and even with that precaution we’d often still need to find a backup venue at the last minute. They even managed to terrify Millwall.

I’ll never forget the very first We Need to Talk meeting, where after TRAs managed to intimidate the first venue into cancelling we ended up meeting at Speakers Corner, being given slips of paper with the new venue & trying to get there without being followed. That was when Maria Mac got beaten up. And once inside, we sat listening to the speakers while the TRAs were outside shouting “BURN IT DOWN!”

It suits proponents of the doctrine of gender identity to claim a much bigger part for these butch lesbians and the queens than they actually had. They are recast as transgender in aid of the claim that without the T, the LGB wouldn't be where it is today.

And what do Stormé DeLarverie, Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson all have in common I wonder? Revealing post.

Anyway Scrolling past

I do find it interesting that stonewall has so many lawyers on its Board and so many of the big law firms were early sign ups

You’d think they’d know what is legal and what is not same as you’d think they’d know what was in the equality act and what isn’t

@OvaHere

Not sure what any of this has to do with Allison's case.

Absolutely nothing, it's just a derail to distract from stonewall allegedly colluding to deprive a black lesbian of an income.

Progressive init!

Yes. I was shocked to hear just how much her income was impacted. From following the live tweets I gathered this was in a large part due to her clerking arrangements being changed. Although I will admit to not understanding how clerking works in a chambers. Would be useful to have someone with legal experience explain.

They work closely with solicitors and advise them on what barristers would be suitable for particular cases

If the clerk at GCC never out Allison forward for work when solicitors approached, she’d be relying on solicitors asking directly to instruct her

Out = put

@Biscuitsanddoombar

They work closely with solicitors and advise them on what barristers would be suitable for particular cases

If the clerk at GCC never out Allison forward for work when solicitors approached, she’d be relying on solicitors asking directly to instruct her

Thanks that's useful to know.

Was it 50% of her income she has lost ?

I saw that somewhere

Clerks allocate the work as it comes in. About half my work is from solicitors asking for me specifically and the other half is just a general query that clerks will pass on to whoever is free or best suited.

Clerks do have a lot of power and if they abuse it I can see how an individuals practice could suffer. Obviously in a well run chambers work should be allocated fairly, but being in thrall to an outside lobby group isn't a sign of a well run or healthy Chambers.

Thanks Spero. I wonder what the explanation was for her change of clerk?

Just mentioning in passing that being a lesbian, or a gay man, or a bisexual person or a heterosexual is not a 'sexual preference'. It's a sexual orientation, defined and protected in law.

You are free to have relationships with whomever you please, and to support an organization which seeks to undermine these legal definitions to the detriment, mostly, of lesbians. I won't try and prevent you signing up to cheerlead for Stonewall.

However, I will point out that you're on a thread about Stonewall seeking to punish a lesbian for daring to say that they do not support her, and for setting up a grassroots organization that does.

And a number of you are going out of your way to say that LGB people have long ago decided to fuck anyone regardless of identity, which is so fucking jaw-droppingly offensive and anti-lesbian and gay, I am utterly astonished that you still feel like you're the good guys for saying it.

Lesbians do not have to justify their sexual orientation. At all. They do not have to ask your permission, nor the permission of Stonewall to campaign for their own interests, including the right to state clearly that a lesbian is oriented solely towards women, sexually and romantically.

Contradict me if you want. I've had a whole fucking lifetime of people telling me that my orientation is unacceptable and can be adjusted, including conversion therapy. Right side of history that, if you can.

Lesbians do not have to justify their sexual orientation. At all.

Well said. Who on earth do people think they are telling someone what their sexuality is. Gay men who don't fancy trans men are valid as are gay men who sometimes might. And straight people should stay out of it.

Yeah, don't be attempting to force team me, pal. You've been pushing the homophobic line all the way through here, so let's be clear you don't stand with me and I don't stand with you. Cheers.

Applauds BuntingEllacott

Unbelievable that this needs to be said. But someone will no doubt pop up to whatabouttery this

Oh look ....

Well said, bunting 👏🏼

BuntingEllacott
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@BuntingEllacott

Yeah, don't be attempting to force team me, pal. You've been pushing the homophobic line all the way through here, so let's be clear you don't stand with me and I don't stand with you. Cheers.

snigger

Good on you for being so blunt and to the point.

@littlbrowndog

Was it 50% of her income she has lost ?

I saw that somewhere

This was LGBA's tweet during the first day of the hearing.

LGB Alliance
@ALLIANCELGB
Replying to
@ALLIANCELGB
Claimant lost 68% of her 2018 billing in 2019. Only two other barristers experienced more than 50% loss. No explanation: she had been 5th highest earner.

@jj1968

Money is one of the key factors here and where a lot of the issue lies. I suspect it wouldn't matter very much financially to Stonewall if every LGB person in the UK stopped donating or bequeathing to them because their business model now is built around state funding plus money from corporates and public/third sector organisations.

Just to correct this Stonewall recieved around £1.7m in their last reporting period from donations and legacies, and around £1.2m from fundraising activites such as events, raffles etc. This comes to roughly 40% of their funding. The bulk of the rest comes from their various corporate training schemes, and just £700,000 from governments.

It appears a lot of lesbians and gay men are quite happy to put their hands in their pockets to support Stonewall.

you missed a bit jj - who do you think pays the fees for schools and Local Authorities? (clue: government)

Fees
Fee income consists of income from private, public and third sector organisations who join our Diversity Champions workplace inclusion programme or Global Founding Partners programme, annual contributions from schools or Local Authorities joining our School Champions or Education Champions programmes, and charges made for providing Stonewall speakers for events or related to bespoke consultancy requests. Total fee income was £3,269,477 (2018: £2,731,225).

and legacies/personal donations come to £1,446,348, I can't see where you got £1.7m from? (2019 figures)

total income for 2019 is £8,315,995.

I'm not sure where you get your fundraising figure from - I can only see an expenditure on fundraising figure, not income:
Expenditure on Raising funds:
£1,624,874

If you mean Events income the figure is £685,875 so the total income from individuals/supporters/events comes to £2,132,223 which is approximately 25% of their overall income. Tell me if I'm wrong?

@BuntingEllacott

Just mentioning in passing that being a lesbian, or a gay man, or a bisexual person or a heterosexual is not a 'sexual preference'. It's a sexual orientation, defined and protected in law.

You are free to have relationships with whomever you please, and to support an organization which seeks to undermine these legal definitions to the detriment, mostly, of lesbians. I won't try and prevent you signing up to cheerlead for Stonewall.

However, I will point out that you're on a thread about Stonewall seeking to punish a lesbian for daring to say that they do not support her, and for setting up a grassroots organization that does.

And a number of you are going out of your way to say that LGB people have long ago decided to fuck anyone regardless of identity, which is so fucking jaw-droppingly offensive and anti-lesbian and gay, I am utterly astonished that you still feel like you're the good guys for saying it.

Lesbians do not have to justify their sexual orientation. At all. They do not have to ask your permission, nor the permission of Stonewall to campaign for their own interests, including the right to state clearly that a lesbian is oriented solely towards women, sexually and romantically.

Contradict me if you want. I've had a whole fucking lifetime of people telling me that my orientation is unacceptable and can be adjusted, including conversion therapy. Right side of history that, if you can.

sorry I'll stop biting on the derails.

Well said Bunting - to the point and absolutely right.

I am super impressed at Allison building her own fundraising website as well, that is no mean feat! While trying to work and fend off all the horrible things being said about her and prepare for her court case.

I hope she has a stern word with Crowd Justice next - I'll support her with that if she decides to.

Bunting

Yeah, don't be attempting to force team me, pal. You've been pushing the homophobic line all the way through here, so let's be clear you don't stand with me and I don't stand with you. Cheers.

Well said, BuntingEllacott. The forced teaming attempt could not be more blatant.

What a shame you won't be able to 'delete' your upcoming court case from public view so easily, Stonewall.

Quite. June is going to be a busy month!