ONS reversed decision to record census by sex

[purpleboy]

mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1359875526261882887?s=19

The ons has reversed its decision to record the census next month by sex.

Time for a mass campaign? Shall we all ID as men?

Might make them take notice, especially if they hear in advance?

[ConservativesForWomen]

www.conservativesforwomen.org/the-census-should-not-be-used-to-promote-trans-humanist-ideology-call-to-action

There will be protests; how they will work is as yet unclear but we cannot just roll over for this.

[MichelleofzeResistance]

I believe it's illegal to give false info on the census.

Apparently not any more.

And since it cannot be illegal to give false information just on ONE bit of the census the whole contract of trust between government and populace in demanding, under threat of prosecution, this extremely detailed and sensitive data....

has just been set on fire.

[stumbledin]

Fair Play for Women article who were the first to identify this reverse reverse
fairplayforwomen.com/ons-reverses-promise-on-sex-data/

WPUK are urging anyone wiht concerns to write to their MP
womansplaceuk.org/2021/02/10/sex-and-the-census-call-to-action/

[CranberriesChoccyAgain]

Are the results used, for example, to determine how to allocate funds where they're needed most? It wouldn't be to any trans person's advantage to give the opposite of their birth sex on a census, would it? Sorry if this question sounds naive.

[bluewaterbottle]

Absolute load of rubbish. What's the point in statistics if they're so way out as this. Utterly ridiculous.

[CormorantStrike]

@picklemewalnuts To be honest that is already being done by people with far more clout than a lowly research associate like me (Profs like Alice Sullivan) - if they can't influence this decision it's very unlikely anybody else could.

[Mollyollydolly]

I've written to Boris Johnson too. My MP is useless. Maybe if Johnson receives hundreds of emails someone in his office might notice. It's not that I think he cares but if he thinks women are pissed off if he might ask questions. He's not stupid where voters are concerned.

[LouHotel]

I absolutely get the bananas of this but could their potentially be an upside?

If there is a massive pick up in females in the population doesn't the government then need to revise spending criteria for services and even if the information is biologically false, women's groups can use this to their advantage.

Obviously women specific services are dire but this could potentially help she sunlight on this..

...ready to be schooled on why I'm wrong

[greatpurplepolkadots]

Is this UK wide? Or just in England? Sorry, I have googled but I can't seem to find an answer.

[NiceGerbil]

As with so many things they rely on a small enough proportion of people giving their sex at birth.

Like how in so many other things they rely on people understanding the subtext eg the NHS getting pregnant page.

It's infuriating.

[MichelleofzeResistance]

Yes. All of this relies on people, often female people, being the 'bigger person', self sacrificing, being Mummy and providing the situation for others.

While accepting the unfairness and lack of reciprocation. It splits society into the givers and the takers. The serving and the served.

No. I don't see that as my birth right, or my Christian duty, or anything else medieval. I am not everybody's mummy.

[JellySlice]

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

Are the results used, for example, to determine how to allocate funds where they're needed most? It wouldn't be to any trans person's advantage to give the opposite of their birth sex on a census, would it? Sorry if this question sounds naive.

The trans ideology is all about wishful thinking and instant validation. What is actually beneficial for them in the long run, or for the group they identify into, does not come into consideration.

[DaisiesandButtercups]

I will be answering my census questions accurately as possible.

It seems to me that to do otherwise plays into the hands of queer theorists. They seek to discredit and destabilise data, science, truth and objective reality. I won’t join them in that goal. Their aim is to obscure facts with fantasy and to promote the ever changing feelings of individuals over concrete facts.

They would love nothing more than proof that data collection is pointless.

[ForenameSurname]

@ConservativesForWomen

www.conservativesforwomen.org/the-census-should-not-be-used-to-promote-trans-humanist-ideology-call-to-action

There will be protests; how they will work is as yet unclear but we cannot just roll over for this.

Large scale, coordinated action is what is needed. We all need to do the same thing. I think spoiling the entire census is counterintuitive, as it risks losing all the other data. Surely, we all need to agree to:

1. Ordering paper copies
2. Spoiling the sex question in some collectively agreed way.

They can't jail all of us. This is too good an opportunity to miss. Such a chance at high-profile public 'disruption' is a real gift, no?

[NiceGerbil]

The census informs loads of public policy and spending.

If it's wonky then there is a real long term knock on effect.

It's not trivial.

I can't believe the fucking ONS of all people are doing this.

What the hell is wrong with sex at birth/ are you trans how do you ID?

That will be really useful info for those looking into needs and studying about the trans community.

Under this idea. Say you've changed your passport (easily done) or your gas bill (?) or whatever. And you were male at birth.

You say you are female and not trans.

So that's a stat lost to those interested in the number of trans people and trying to understand their needs.

[FlamingGreatGalaahs]

FFS

[DaisiesandButtercups]

It seems that the question “is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth” is voluntary. So if the vast majority ignore it then that sends a message.

[ThatIsNotMyUsername]

Why do they need to know this. It seems rather unscientific .

[TheElementsSong]

I will be ordering a paper copy.

[Lifeaintalwaysempty]

My MP is a TWAW, there’s zero point in writing to them. I feel like we need to do something before we get the census paper rather than spoil it in some way... petition?

[FemaleAndLearning]

*Large scale, coordinated action is what is needed. We all need to do the same thing. I think spoiling the entire census is counterintuitive, as it risks losing all the other data. Surely, we all need to agree to:

1. Ordering paper copies
2. Spoiling the sex question in some collectively agreed way.

They can't jail all of us. This is too good an opportunity to miss. Such a chance at high-profile public 'disruption' is a real gift, no?*

Yes I will order a paper copy and I will find a way to spoil the sex question and answer the gender identity question with gender atheist, gender critical or whatever we collectively agree. We will make a difference.
Can we trust any of the ONS dsra where sex is asked?

[Xpectations]

@LouHotel

I absolutely get the bananas of this but could their potentially be an upside?

If there is a massive pick up in females in the population doesn't the government then need to revise spending criteria for services and even if the information is biologically false, women's groups can use this to their advantage.

Obviously women specific services are dire but this could potentially help she sunlight on this..

...ready to be schooled on why I'm wrong

This is an interesting way of looking at it, but as other posters have said, data on transgendered people will not be accurate (I believe the gender question is optional, but could be wrong).
So yes, we may have an increase in the need for female facilities/services based on the population, but there will be mo corresponding ‘need’ for transgender people. So, if we want to analyse whether gender neutral third facilities are cost-effective/efficient use of public money, how could this be done? Many people don’t apply for a GRC.
I do wonder if this is the motivation for some TRAs: not to have accurate data so services/facilities cannot be developed for transgender people, thus they can argue they must use opposite-sex facilities.

[JaninaDuszejko]

Agree we need collective action. In 1911 the suffragettes had mass rallies overnight so that their data wasn't collected (and of course Emily Wilding Davison hid herself in the broom cupboard in Parliament). We need a visible protest like that.

[DuchessofPortlandia]

If the ONS don’t respect me enough to ask me about reality, just some made up fairy tale, then I don’t respect them enough to fill in their form. I’ll write this on it & send it back blank otherwise - and I think all women should do the same. We need to stand up against this lying shit. It’ll only get worse otherwise.

[DaisiesandButtercups]

Aren’t we losing women rather than gaining them. In younger age groups aren’t there more transmen than transwomen?