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ONS reversed decision to record census by sex

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purpleboy · 11/02/2021 15:21

mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1359875526261882887?s=19

The ons has reversed its decision to record the census next month by sex.

Time for a mass campaign? Shall we all ID as men?

Might make them take notice, especially if they hear in advance?

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AuraofDora · 11/02/2021 21:29

It’s downright crazy behaviour from ONS messing with valuable and trusted data.
Am definitely up for protest to resist more this utter madness.
It serves neither society, women or trans people.
Total blinkered bonkers

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MerchedCymru · 11/02/2021 21:47

Like the idea of a collective response to the gender question via paper copies ConservativesforWomen and definitely a collective action involving photos of women in cupboards of various shapes and sizes (the cupboards not the women).

But there do need to be a ton of us - and a decent number who would be happy to go to jail rather than pay a fine - should it come to that.

We can complain all we like but as others have said, if the likes of Alice Sullivan can't convince them it's clear this is not based on logic or reason but on ideological capture and cowardice.

Direct mass action is the only option.

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Thelnebriati · 11/02/2021 22:09

So now will people believe that this govt is pushing self ID by any means necessary?

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Significantown · 11/02/2021 23:13

There’s no point to a petition. Petition debates have been suspended.

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stumbledin · 11/02/2021 23:34

greatpurplepolkadots - Scotland will conduct its own census and has already decided on self id (I think) loads of threads on this.

Significantown - the debates aren't the relevant part. The important part is to show how many people care. This of course could back fire if only a few hundred sign. They have to provide a written reply after 10,000.

If the petition got close to a million at least the MSM might start to report.

That is the real worry. Starting a petition and only a few hundred sign.

Confused

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ChattyLion · 12/02/2021 00:01

This is appalling. Stats belong collectively to everyone. Public services are allocated on these stats. Can’t this misogynistic, homophobic political erasure of accurate biological sex information (and thus of sexual orientation information as well) be challenged via the public sector equality duty? Doesn’t the census need to both not discriminate between protected characteristics and foster good relations between protected characteristics? Where’s the equality impact assessment around this change?

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GreenUp · 12/02/2021 03:48

Anyone know is the person in charge we should write to about this issue?

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MoleSmokes · 12/02/2021 03:49

This is the most recent relevant document on the website of the Office for Statistical Regulation (my bolding):

"Ed Humpherson to Iain Bell: Assessment of 2021 Censuses in the UK – ONS Response to Preliminary Findings"

Dated
11 September 2020

Sent by:
Ed Humpherson
Director General for Regulation, Office for Statistics Regulation

Sent to:
Iain Bell
Deputy National Statistician, Office for National Statistics

Dear Iain

Assessment of 2021 Censuses in the UK – Office for National Statistics (ONS) Response to Preliminary Findings

We have reviewed the actions that your team has taken to address the findings in Assessment Report 345: 2021 Censuses in the UK – Preliminary Findings. These findings aim to build on the existing work being undertaken by Census offices, providing further direction and focus on pre-existing plans.

The Office for Statistics Regulation’s (OSR’s) advice on the National Statistics designation will be based on the trustworthiness, quality and value secured by Census offices. That advice will take account of the actions taken to address findings or requirements from OSR as part of this assessment process. While many of the Phase 1 findings can only be fully actioned or addressed over longer timescales, it is my view that ONS has responded positively to the assessment findings so far. ONS has been open to challenge from the assessment team and I am encouraged that improvements have been made in a number of areas. The Census is one of the most important sources of official statistics and I recognise the ongoing commitment of ONS to deliver high quality data and statistics; recognising the challenges and changes in ways of working that have had to be managed during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Since we published our assessment report in October 2019, my team has engaged with various members of your staff working on the Census to understand the improvements you have made since then. I welcome the openness and flexibility that has been shown to the assessment team. In evaluating how ONS has responded to our findings we have taken account of published materials from ONS including the evidence report Response to actionable findings from Phase 1 of the National Statistics Accreditation, alongside information gathered through meetings and workshops held with your teams. I consider that some actions taken by ONS are of note.

  • My team held a number of workshops with staff who have been working to develop methods, on areas such as item imputation and census coverage adjustment. We consider that ONS is taking a rigorous approach to its methods development. We are very pleased to see that methods papers, which have been reviewed by your external Methodological Assurance Review panel, are now in the public domain. This is a significant improvement to aid transparency and share knowledge and expertise with the wider community of expert users and stakeholders.


  • Some findings from our assessment report involved making improvements to recognise the needs of UK Census data users. ONS has taken a lead role in addressing these findings and has established a UK Census data working group – with representation from across the Census offices; we recognise the commitment and energy of ONS staff working in this area.


  • The questions to be asked in the Census in 2021 have been finalised. However, we are aware that some stakeholders have outstanding concerns with the guidance on the Census sex question. ONS has continued to engage with users and stakeholders about this and we recognise the efforts being made to provide answers or explanations on areas of concern. ONS should seek to address outstanding concerns raised by users within its further question testing and research on the guidance on the sex question. ONS should share the outcomes of this research in a transparent and open way.


We consider that further action is still needed in some areas identified for improvement in our assessment report – this is partly due to changing circumstances such as the impacts on programme delivery given the pandemic. For example, while ONS has plans to make improvements to its website, to date there has been little change made to make it more accessible. Key documents and materials are not easy to find and navigation on the webpages is not intuitive. ONS should implement its plans over the coming months to improve the accessibility of research and other Census information on its website.

In the assessment report the need to be clear to users on the impacts of country-specific decision making on UK Census data and statistics. Due to the decision by Scottish Ministers to delay the Census in Scotland, it is even more important ONS work with the other Census offices to explain the impacts of this to UK Census data users.

From speaking with your teams, it is clear ONS recognises the importance of communicating to England and Wales Census data users about delivering its Census in 2021 and on its scheduled plans for Census outputs. Users should be kept up to date and be provided with further detail as more information on the timing and content of statistical outputs becomes available.

We have included more detail about our judgement in an annex to this letter (See PDF download). I, or my team, would be happy to talk you or your colleagues through any aspects of this letter or Code compliance more generally.

I am copying this letter to Sir Ian Diamond, National Statistician and Stephanie Howarth, Interim Chief Statistician, Welsh Government.

Yours sincerely

Ed Humpherson
Director General for Regulation

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See original for links to other documents:
osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-humpherson-to-iain-bell-assessment-of-2021-censuses-in-the-uk-ons-response-to-preliminary-findings/

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PDF including Annex to the letter above:
osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Ed_Humperson_to_Iain_Bell.pdf

Annex A Review of actions1 taken in response to Assessment Report 345: 2021 Censuses in the UK – Preliminary findings

The relevant section is 2 on page 4 (see image attached).

Findings

  1. There has been much public debate relating to proposals for Census questions and the question development process across Census offices. Census offices must ensure their actions and decisions are visibly taken with the honesty, integrity and independence necessary to deliver data and statistics that are of high quality and serve the public good. Census offices should be open and transparent on their decision-making processes and in their decisions on Census questions and guidance, particularly in relation to any areas of contention.


Actions taken by ONS to address findings

ONS has published additional question development materials since the completion of the first phase of the assessment, these include

• Question and questionnaire development overview for Census 2021 (published March 2020) which provides users with information of the development processes including approach to question development, research methods, and criteria to evaluate question design.

• Summary of testing for Census 2021 (published March 2020) which lists all testing conducted between 2016 and 2020 that informed the question design for Census 2021 in an excel spreadsheet.

• Question development reports (published June 2020) which explain the research, testing and evaluation carried out on question design on topics such as sex and gender identity, ethnic group tick-box, national identity, ethnic group, language and religion, armed forces, qualifications and housing.

Materials on question development are all published on a common webpage.

ONS has kept the assessment team informed of activity, particularly in relation to the guidance for the sex question in the Census. The assessment team understands that there has been ongoing engagement with users and stakeholders on this subject and that ONS has committed to undertake further testing and engagement with data users.

OSR’s evaluation of evidence
ONS has published a range of materials to evidence its decision-making processes on Census questions. The question development overview, which provides details of its research methods, questionnaire design and evaluation criteria, is particularly useful in this regard.

The summary of all testing undertaken by ONS on Census questions and questionnaires is a helpful resource. This should be kept updated and would be further enhanced if it provided a link through to testing outcomes, such as topic reports where feasible.

While a range of materials has been published, the assessment team considers that more could be done to alert users and interested parties of new content when it is released.

The assessment team thinks it essential for ONS to consider the concerns raised by users during its further testing and research on the guidance on the sex question, and consider the impact of data quality on the analysis of small sub-groups of the population.

ONS should continue to engage with stakeholders particularly in relation to areas of contention, meet any commitments it has made, and seek to provide answers or explanations on areas of concern, in a transparent and open way.

(See PDF for links to other documents)

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Am I being unduly cynical in thinking that in the last paragraph "stakeholders" might have been interpreted very narrowly?

It is very difficult to understand how the concerns of very senior statisticians have been disregarded by the Office of National Statistics. Were they even recognised as "stakeholders" and consulted??
ONS reversed decision to record census by sex
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joystir59 · 12/02/2021 04:06

If gender is used instead if sex on the census form.im not filling it in. I flat refuse to state I'm a gender on such an important document. I've been sex: female all my life.

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joystir59 · 12/02/2021 04:10

Why can't there be two questions- a) what is your biological sex as determined at birth? and b) what gender do you identify as?

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MoleSmokes · 12/02/2021 04:19

@joystir59

Why can't there be two questions- a) what is your biological sex as determined at birth? and b) what gender do you identify as?

I think that there are - but that the Explanatory Notes for the "Sex" question state that you can just make it up rather than answer according to your biological sex.
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TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 12/02/2021 04:30

What the suffragettes did in 1911, as direct mass action, was to go outdoors at midnight on the census date.

This had the benefit of being entirely legal, both for them and for the householder that then had to fill in the form stating who had been in the house at midnight.

They organised midnight picnics and stuff which we would not (lockdown) be able to do but I don't see why we - and indeed our entire households if we can persuade them - should not go and stand at our front doors, or just go for a stroll.

There will not I think be any way to "spoil" the form online (and there is a big push to get everyone to do it online). The self-id question called "sex" will be mandatory and you won't be able to complete the form at all unless you answer it, and if you choose the wrong option nobody will have any reason to check if it's right and all that you will have done is create bad data at an unknown level.

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TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 12/02/2021 04:37

It will though be noticed if a lot of households don't return their form at all (will get you a visit or two to prompt but you can say "but the house was empty", sorry, so we didn't do it") but then fill it in as "empty" after a couple of reminders. Especially if the census officer then has to ask and possibly even write down "but, er, I can't help noticing that you're a family of five so where were you?" and you get to say "We were doing the 21st Century Suffragette in the front garden / in the park".

Obviously dragging small children outdoors at midnight in March may not work for some of us, and some of us will be at work and whatever. But the point that I'm making is that being outdoors to avoid lying on the form is perfectly legal.

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TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 12/02/2021 04:41

On reflection I think you probably would have to go as far as the pavement because "in the garden" probably does count as "in the house" but the notes will say whether it does.

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TheElementsSong · 12/02/2021 06:23

Can't we just identify as being outdoors at midnight? Or can't we go outdoors at some other time and identify the time as midnight?

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Gurufloof · 12/02/2021 07:40

So, if we want to analyse whether gender neutral third facilities are cost-effective/efficient use of public money, how could this be done

I dont see why (collective) you are thinking about this. Its not our problem to solve. And frankly if the census is going to be a big steaming pile of shit with regards to the sex question, the whole damn thing might as well be. My vote is that those who dont want to are officially identified as out side the home on the day, the rest of us claim the entire household is full of women. At least if nothing else comes of the protest, womens issues may get a funding boost.

As for going to prison, yep I'm willing.

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picklemewalnuts · 12/02/2021 08:03

There's a website to apply for jobs as census officers of various kinds. Is there some way we could use that? Apply but add the concern in the application box.

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Igneococcus · 12/02/2021 08:08

I lived in NZ during a census in the 90s and there was a lot of opposition to the census and one guy from the McGillicuddy Serious Party spent the day in a hot air balloon. Not a feasible solution for most of us sadly.

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Cailleach1 · 12/02/2021 08:10

Is there not a direction/guidance that if you are normally resident in a premises, and have not been registered anywhere else, to be placed on the form?

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Cailleach1 · 12/02/2021 08:12

Someone should post the (uncompleted) form online when possible and then see what can be done.

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FemaleAndLearning · 12/02/2021 10:49

Just seen an advert on the telly for the Census which is 21st March! That is so close, surely they would have all the printed ones done by now? So biological sex will be by self ID as it is using passports etc. not a birth certificate. Gender question is optional. I really don't see how this serves the purpose.

Also great info upthread. Has anyone done a FOI to see who the stakeholders were? Or should it be public anyway? I'm feeling very let down and really want to act, but because we can't come together to protest it makes it very difficult.
Is there somewhere else on our paper forms we can make a protest of some sort?

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ThePankhurstConnection · 12/02/2021 10:52

Why bother even collecting the data then if it isn't going to be accurate or useful?

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FemaleAndLearning · 12/02/2021 11:15

Are they even offering paper versions? Can't see anything about them?
census.gov.uk/about-the-census/about-census-2021

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MichelleofzeResistance · 12/02/2021 11:21

If online is enforced then it is likely that unless you click on a sex of your choice the programme will not allow you to progress further.

Identifying as being outside at midnight is something I can do. It would be easier, as I do not have a passport, so have no way to know what my sex might be. Confused

Utter bloody muppets.

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FemaleAndLearning · 12/02/2021 11:28

I see they also have a coverage census to pick up those who are missing, not sure how that works in practice though. I suspect they just go to postcode areas with very low returns? I don't open my door to strangers ID or no ID.
census.gov.uk/about-the-census/about-the-census-coverage-survey

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