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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever ... ? (Things women have to deal with, that men don't)

421 replies

EssenceOfDittany · 08/02/2021 23:51

I had a conversation with a naive "be kind" sort of person (male) the other day at work, who casually came out with something about sex being basically irrelevant next to gender identity. I reminded him that the sole reason for women's oppression throughout history is biology, i.e. sex. Thankfully he revised his position pretty quickly and looked like he felt a bit silly for having said it in the first place. (I think he is also blissfully unaware of how controversial such a "belief" is these days, and was only parroting the thing about gender because he'd heard lots of other people say it.)

This got me thinking, I'd like to compile a list of some of the crappy things girls/women have to deal with in their everyday lives that men never/rarely do, so that when someone more set in their opinions says "sex is irrelevant", I can say "really? So, have you ever ... ?"

A few to start us off:

… spent the entire day with a jumper tied around your waste to hide the blood stain on your trousers when your period caught you off-guard?

… left a social gathering earlier than you wanted because you realised you didn’t have enough sanpro to get you through the evening?

… made an excuse to not go swimming when you’d like to, because you realise you haven’t done the requisite bikini/leg/armpit maintenance?

… spent hours painfully removing your pubic hair when you didn’t want to, because an intimate male partner told you it was disgusting and you didn't have the confidence to tell him to sod off?

… endlessly plucked/waxed/obsessed over your upper lip hair because it would be a disaster if someone realised that was your natural state?

… taken the route three times as long, just to avoid going down a short alley alone in the dark?

… clutched your keys between your fingers with the “blade” sticking outwards to make you feel like you might stand a chance if attacked by a man, since you know you’ll have no chance based on strength alone?

… asked a family member to track your location when you’re out alone, and told them exactly where they should expect you to be every step of the journey, so they can raise the alarm if something happens to you?

… felt relieved when your company moved to WFH, because you could finally stop putting on a brave face at your desk while in agony on your period?

… worried about judgement from your colleagues when you say you're “feeling ill” a day or two every month?

... had a constant sick feeling in your stomach when out alone in your local area after dark, because you're afraid of being assaulted/mugged?

Please help me flesh out the list further! I’ve only scratched the surface, and I know there are so many more examples, relating to motherhood, career progression, DV, women’s health, general safety, all sorts. I want to rattle off this list next time someone dares suggest that “sex is irrelevant”.

OP posts:
sleepyhead · 09/02/2021 08:32

Been the default domestic care provider in the absence of your mother from a young age, even in the presence of perfectly capable father/older brothers because female.

Put up with unwanted sexual attention from a young age because you know you're meant to be flattered/were brought up to not make a scene.

Had your life revolve around the wants of men in the house in a way that was so normalised that you didn't even notice until you left home (and they've still not noticed).

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 09/02/2021 08:33

Oh god yes - all the side effects of hormonal contraception! The weight gain, mood swings, low mood, breakthrough bleeding, worry about being pregnant if you had a stomach upset, which can reduce effectiveness...

Been told another pregnancy could kill you and being terrified of getting pregnant and leaving your children motherless.

LunarSea · 09/02/2021 08:38

Been suddenly stabbed when a bra wire decided to snap.

TomRipley · 09/02/2021 08:54

Being told by a waiter that I'm very lucky my husband is so good with the baby because DH left the table to change a nappy instead of me.

The term 'hands on dad' being used in any circumstances. There is no 'hands on mum'.

Paying for cabs home at night even though it's a 10 minute walk away.

As mentioned before, being asked who has the kids if you're ever seen without them.

'The weekend dad' perfectly acceptable. 'The weekend mum' sheer horror.

MIL's face when she found out I didn't iron her sons shirts for work or do his washing.

The constant pressure to remove body hair.

The eyebrow raises when I tell people that I didn't take my husbands surname and still go by Miss.

And my absolute favourite...
...being asked by male police officers if my attacker could have thought I was a prostitute after being assaulted in the street by a man when I was 17 years old.

AndreaMartelsCoat · 09/02/2021 08:55

Being told I just need to get on with it when my uterus ruptured whilst becoming a parent.

Walk to work in the early morning, it's dark and leaving the lid open on my boiling hot coffee so I'm ready to throw it in the face of a male if necessary.

Going to see a Gp because I feel so bloody unwell and being dismissed and told that's a mans disease when I suggest it as an option. Turns out I did have it and women do indeed get it.

Sickofthisshit96 · 09/02/2021 09:02

Being branded a psycho for having the audacity to call a man out on his behaviour or stand up for yourself

ChonkyChook · 09/02/2021 09:04

@Catmaiden

What about a trigger warning, OP?
Were you expecting hilarious tales of sleepovers, pillow fights and giggling?
Sickofthisshit96 · 09/02/2021 09:05

Missing out on promotion/ advancement for not flirting with senior management Envy not envy! Sorry this thread is seriously making me angry

bestguesstimate · 09/02/2021 09:05

Being told by my male boss when I was a graduate and on a work trip abroad, without any of the local currency to hand, to ‘go and sell my body’.

ThreeFeetTall · 09/02/2021 09:06

I think some of these examples are about gender not sex- hair removal (because of societal expectations), being guilt tripped into being on the PTA.
I agree these are issues for women that man don't have to deal with and we should be angry about them but they are not a given, if society changes these will go (I hope!)

babbaloushka · 09/02/2021 09:10

Getting catcalled in school uniform and being petrified the same will happen to your daughters

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 09/02/2021 09:12

This may be slightly the other way round...
When my youngest was in Reception, they had a Mother's Day 'spa'. Parts were horrific, like the children doing your make up, but you also got a chance to see their work, teacher said a quick hello to everyone. A few Mums couldn't make it, a few Dad's attended or another female friend/relative.

No father's Day equivalent. A lot of Dads were disappointed.

Winesalot · 09/02/2021 09:12

Being offered Valium instead of pain relief for horrific period pain by young male doctor.

Having to hand express milk in toilets during examination for work between sections because my breasts were literally exploding in milk and pain and I didn’t have time to properly express. I could just take the edge off for a while till lunch when I could properly express (again in a toilet because ‘there is nowhere for you to express milk except for the not often used disabled toilet’). I was expressing and dumping thankfully.

Being asked at every single interview if I was going to have children.

Busydoingnowt · 09/02/2021 09:13

Take all the strain of infertility treatment - injections, internal examinations etc etc - even if it’s the man who is infertile.

CaraDuneRedux · 09/02/2021 09:14

I think some of these examples are about gender not sex- hair removal (because of societal expectations), being guilt tripped into being on the PTA.

Which is why I find the term "sex stereotypes" more useful than gender (which has been hijacked to mean "internal feeling of womanliness" whatever that is).

Yes, they are of course not intrinsic to us as women. But society projects these expectations onto us (absurdly pointless in the case of hair removal, effing time consuming on top of the "double shift" in the case of the PTA). And the marker society uses (unjustly) to determine who gets the fuzzy end of the lollipop? Our biological sex.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/02/2021 09:15

@ThreeFeetTall

I think some of these examples are about gender not sex- hair removal (because of societal expectations), being guilt tripped into being on the PTA. I agree these are issues for women that man don't have to deal with and we should be angry about them but they are not a given, if society changes these will go (I hope!)
Yes - some of this is the layers of sexism built on top of our biology.
Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 09/02/2021 09:18

Being in an all male meeting MD confronting the HR guy about his sexism. The comments your boss and team ignored or didn't notice. And being made to feel that I'm the one out of line.

Meeting a potential supplier with a male colleague. Repeatedly having to correct the assumption that he's my boss - no, I'm the boss.

Being carried bodily out of the pub by a stranger while everyone laughed. He wanted to give me an erotic massage and wouldn't put me down until I kicked him.

Being picked up and spun round by a stranger in a pub because England scored a goal.

Receiving an unsolicited dick pic from an old college friend.

Having my breasts grabbed in a nightclub.

Going to the doctor after what o thought was a miscarriage. The doctor didn't ask me any questions and told me to go home and enjoy my husband.

Asking a supplier a technical question. He answered my male boss who has no idea what I asked because he doesn't have the technical ability.

Being propositioned on the tube. Would I go home with a stranger for a fuck? No. How about a kiss then? Still no.

AutumnVibes · 09/02/2021 09:25

Miscarriage. Carrying your baby inside you when it has died and you’re waiting for nature or intervention to bring it to a close. My miscarriage took 13 weeks and was just so so much more blood than anyone had ever prepared me for. Just the most awful thing. I’ve never felt more bodily female. Had a doctor refuse to explain what words on the scan report meant and when I insisted, he asked me what my job was. I refused to tell him and explained why. As it happens I was a stay at home mum with an Cambridge degree and I knew that if I said stay at home mum (with my very northern accent) he would judge that I wasn’t intelligent enough to understand my own body. Women’s lives are shaped by their bodily experiences.

HalloumiFries · 09/02/2021 09:26

Spent your entire teenage years being constantly warned against "doing something stupid". Having it made clear that you would be disowned and out on the streets if you became pregnant. Basically going from being my parents' little girl to being a giant walking uterus, likely to bring shame and financial hardship on my family, overnight.

Truthlikeness · 09/02/2021 09:26

When out in the evening (socialising or playing sports) constantly thinking about what time you'll have to leave to get home before dark, or weighing up whether you'll have to get a taxi for the 15 minute walk you don't feel safe doing after 9.30pm.

Not having men pass you the ball during a game, or put you in the least interesting positions because you're physically weaker and haven't had the advantage of male opportunities to learn sports as a child.

Only being able to meet a meet a personal trainer in a public, well-lit space, in case they turn out to be dodgy.

LApprentiSorcier · 09/02/2021 09:29

Felt myself flooding during a meeting; getting up to go and sort it out and praying there wouldn't be a bloodstain on the back of my skirt.

Seatime · 09/02/2021 09:32

Being recorded on video by a man on the beach while l was in swimwear last summer. I looked up the law, apparently, we don't have a right to privacy in public. A guy approached me in the water snorkeling, like a shark! It's a big beach and he made a bee line towards me for about 30 metres. I know that l sound crazy, now. The guy who stands on top of a large rock at the beach, everyday, and stares at women changing. Men drying just their penis at the beach for long, long minutes. Yep, it kind of ruined my lockdown summer last year. There's also a whole theme of public transport ones, but l can't right now

Onlymeandthedognow · 09/02/2021 09:40

Been terrified in my own home after the (young) male next door neighbour tells me -through the hedge- that he’s been watching me in the garden for ages... then I find a note with his number, pushed through my door overnight😱
He eventually moved...
A Christmas card is sent to me for the next 3 years....

Being taken home by the children’s Dad after babysitting and tutoring them (part of a school project) ... and being offered his penis (exposed) outside my house in broad daylight...
I was 15....

Yes to the changing my routes home when younger - so happy when I learnt to drive!!

I don’t really walk anywhere alone anymore, I always have my German Shepherd with me.

Kit19 · 09/02/2021 09:41

Being picked up and spun round by a stranger in a pub because England scored a goal

oh god yes this! im short and (was very) petite and men seemed to think that was a green light to treat me like some kind of living doll - physically picked up in bars, swimming pools and at concerts, bodily moved out of the way

going to cricket with my sisters and having the game explained to me earnestly by men without asking if we actually understood the game.

hiding in the toilets at train stations when groups of drunk men turn up

Sickofthesoapbox12 · 09/02/2021 09:44

Had your DP (male) expect you to give up work if you were to ever have children (that he expected you to have despite saying you’re not sure you want children); despite you earning 5x what he does and training for 15 years to get there. ‘But men can’t stay at home with children and no child of mine is going to be raised by a working mother’.

Needless to say it didn’t work out.