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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever ... ? (Things women have to deal with, that men don't)

421 replies

EssenceOfDittany · 08/02/2021 23:51

I had a conversation with a naive "be kind" sort of person (male) the other day at work, who casually came out with something about sex being basically irrelevant next to gender identity. I reminded him that the sole reason for women's oppression throughout history is biology, i.e. sex. Thankfully he revised his position pretty quickly and looked like he felt a bit silly for having said it in the first place. (I think he is also blissfully unaware of how controversial such a "belief" is these days, and was only parroting the thing about gender because he'd heard lots of other people say it.)

This got me thinking, I'd like to compile a list of some of the crappy things girls/women have to deal with in their everyday lives that men never/rarely do, so that when someone more set in their opinions says "sex is irrelevant", I can say "really? So, have you ever ... ?"

A few to start us off:

… spent the entire day with a jumper tied around your waste to hide the blood stain on your trousers when your period caught you off-guard?

… left a social gathering earlier than you wanted because you realised you didn’t have enough sanpro to get you through the evening?

… made an excuse to not go swimming when you’d like to, because you realise you haven’t done the requisite bikini/leg/armpit maintenance?

… spent hours painfully removing your pubic hair when you didn’t want to, because an intimate male partner told you it was disgusting and you didn't have the confidence to tell him to sod off?

… endlessly plucked/waxed/obsessed over your upper lip hair because it would be a disaster if someone realised that was your natural state?

… taken the route three times as long, just to avoid going down a short alley alone in the dark?

… clutched your keys between your fingers with the “blade” sticking outwards to make you feel like you might stand a chance if attacked by a man, since you know you’ll have no chance based on strength alone?

… asked a family member to track your location when you’re out alone, and told them exactly where they should expect you to be every step of the journey, so they can raise the alarm if something happens to you?

… felt relieved when your company moved to WFH, because you could finally stop putting on a brave face at your desk while in agony on your period?

… worried about judgement from your colleagues when you say you're “feeling ill” a day or two every month?

... had a constant sick feeling in your stomach when out alone in your local area after dark, because you're afraid of being assaulted/mugged?

Please help me flesh out the list further! I’ve only scratched the surface, and I know there are so many more examples, relating to motherhood, career progression, DV, women’s health, general safety, all sorts. I want to rattle off this list next time someone dares suggest that “sex is irrelevant”.

OP posts:
LoveFall · 09/02/2021 02:16

Being offered financial help with my education by my Grandfather. But only if I became a nurse or teacher,

Mamanyt · 09/02/2021 02:22

Walked 5 miles home in the pouring rain after a date said, "Put out or get out."

MixedUpFiles · 09/02/2021 02:27

Throwing up into my trash can at work because I can’t make it to the loo in time.

Throwing up in the bathroom at work. Daily. For 9 months. Hyperemesis is a bitch.

Having to come to work while vomiting because growing a human can’t interfere with work and US leave laws suck.

Dropping your fertility prescription on the ground and having it found by a colleague and being so happy that colleague was another woman who would understand

Getting criticized for not traveling to a conference when you have a 10 week old baby and told that this is why women don’t get as far in their careers.

Feeling a clot overwhelm your tampon in the middle of a meeting and knowing when you stand up it’s going to be a blood bath.

Chambored · 09/02/2021 02:31

Had your drink spiked by what I can only assume was a bloke with unpleasant intentions (thankfully friends realised what had happened)

Have to call in sick with period pains so severe you’re vomiting / can’t move (but you know you’re boss doesn’t really believe it’s actually that’s bad)

Have had men at work (many years ago thankfully) come up behind you and grab your breasts.
Or men in a club grope your breasts.

I could go on....

LoveFall · 09/02/2021 03:22

Being asked in a med school interview what I would do if I had children.

Catmaiden · 09/02/2021 03:31

What about a trigger warning, OP?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/02/2021 03:39

Being ignored about birth injuries/fibroids/ovarian cysts. Basically anything exclusively female that causes pain and/or discomfort.

Men thinking it's perfectly fine to grab a woman's arse while she's standing at a bar.

Clymene · 09/02/2021 03:53

Been sexually assaulted so many times by random men that you've lost count?
Realised a man is not listening to you, he's just staring at your tits?

Willowkins · 09/02/2021 04:01

Falling back into the lift to escape the cleaner who thought (well, God knows what he thought but he was leaning in to kiss me). I think I was lucky that the lift arrived just at the right time. I made sure I never worked late on my own again.

Being told oh so many times that my pain was to be expected/just what women go through/will go away when you have children (it didn't)/to take paracetamol/use a hot water bottle/to stop whining/that I don't know what real pain is.

To have the only female interviewer, for the Senior Diversity Manager position, replaced at the last minute by the man who'd demanded I do his photocopying the previous week.

Liverpool52 · 09/02/2021 04:12

Being asked by a colleague of my DH if I was going to make sure I filled the freezer with lots of homemade food for him before I went away for a few weeks. When I asked if they'd asked my DH the same thing before he went away for a few weeks they just looked at me blankly.

Being harassed constantly while out running by men shouting things, making rude gestures at me, winding their window down and coasting along the pavement beside me. On one occasion a bus driver did it - empty bus, opened the doors and just coasted along watching me.

Porridgeoat · 09/02/2021 04:23

Had a breast scan, with boobs clamped in a vicelike claw.

Had mature men press themselves against me as a school girl during bus rides and parties. Panicking and not knowing what to do

Awful period pain which stops me engaging with life a couple of days a month. Makes me feel too weak to go to the gym or do anything physical.

Breast feed and so automatically deal with all the night wakes and the resulting sheer exhaustion

Be managed by men who find it hard to relate to having caring responsibilities despite being fathers themselves.

Doing the wide work mental load and then having a very painful transition to more equal roles. It took years and was touch and go

yvanka · 09/02/2021 04:25

I lock my car doors as soon as I get in and keep one of those really thin metal pin-tail combs in my bag in case I ever have to stab someone.

sashh · 09/02/2021 04:38

On drop down menus never being the first option listed, it's normally

Mr
Mrs
Miss
Ms

Everything is designed for men so my worktops are too high I can't sit at my local bus stop because they are those flippy seats where you need to have your feet on the floor (I'm short but if the seats were lower it wouldn't stop a taller person sitting).

Getting off the bus a stop early / late because you are not sure you are being followed.

Back to designed for men, the original dictation software couldn't recognise a female voice.

Lack of pockets! 'Boy's' baby clothes have pockets, women's trousers usually don't.

If you are sexually assaulted the police will assume you were 'asking for it'.

Being in your own home is dangerous for a lot of women.

If you set up anything for women having to justify why you have not set up the same thing for men even if there is an equivalent eg international women's day, women only swimming sessions, rape crisis centres, women's refuge.

Having to visit a GP when you are not ill for smear tests and contraception.

Being judged on your weight rather than your abilities.

sashh · 09/02/2021 05:04

Oh how could I forget buying a car when you have a male present and the salesman (always men, I have bought from a woman and it didn't happen) asks him questions, asks if he wants a test drive etc.

I often have my carer with me, he is also a good friend and he doesn't drive. He takes it in his stride and asks questions like, "will I fit in the boot?" and then climbs in.

BikeRunSki · 09/02/2021 05:52

Hyperemisis

yetmorenamechanging · 09/02/2021 06:07

Being nervous when I sneeze.

Being unable to run for a bus..and not being disabled.

Needing to do daily exercise for the rest of my life in an attempt to stop my insides falling out.

Having migraines for at least two days every month. If I'm lucky - could be more.

UnaOfStormhold · 09/02/2021 06:17

Knowing as a woman that when I do any sport, men who haven't worked a fraction as hard will perform better.

Been unable to reach something on the top supermarket shelf.

yetmorenamechanging · 09/02/2021 06:17

Don't know a short name for this - maybe "involuntary unfit"?!
My daily life and life outcomes have been radically changed through having children. Bring a father has not negatively altered that for the other parent. Due to the biological impact of being pregnant on my body, I can no longer do any of the sport I did before. No proper weightlifting, no running, no jumping of any kind. I don't enjoy much other sport, so I just feel nothing doing it. Not motivating at all. I don't see any fathers having this issue EVER.

yetmorenamechanging · 09/02/2021 06:24

HAVING to buy bras. Especially before places like Primark came along and it was possible to get larger sizes cheaper. It was always very expensive.

Having bra strap pinged.

Being a great organiser and being told I was bossy (ie shamed). Men doing the same - literally saying the same - praised.

UnaOfStormhold · 09/02/2021 06:27

Oh yes, and as a runner needing to spend £30-40 on a sports bra to avoid pain and damage, and rarely seeing running bras mentioned in introductory articles for runners on essential kit when for half the population it's vital.

PubsClosed · 09/02/2021 06:31

Attended a job interview 3 weeks post emergency c-section, with leaking breasts, because they advertised the role above you (which had your name on it) while you were conveniently on maternity leave and there was no fucking way you were missing out on that promotion!

ISaySteadyOn · 09/02/2021 06:34

-being groped when walking home from the cinema

-not being believed about my own breastfeeding abilities when in hospital after having DC3

-agonizing period cramps and the cluster headaches and feverishness that come before

-being referred to as that when pushing a buggy

Eekay · 09/02/2021 06:37

@Givemeabreakpls

In relation to online dating, something someone said on a thread a little while ago really resonated with me. Men go on the first date worried they may get laughed at, women go worried they may get raped.
This. Worried about what my sons might DO (despite how I raised them) but worrying about what might be done TO my daughters. And motherhood. Irrevocably shaped my entire life. My children's fathers? Nup. Bodies, careers, health, prospects, freedom. Very little impact for them. Maybe a few, usually temporary, adjustments.
MsTSwift · 09/02/2021 06:44

I know not pc but never understand why some men want to be women. In my next life I am definitely going to be a man. Pretty much All of the above in various degrees.

I was seen to be attractive to men in my twenties and it caused no end of hassle. Most interactions with men had a weird sexual undertone. Leering. Staring. Being hit on then men getting angry very quickly if politely rebuffed. Such a relief being mid 40s I really don’t miss it.

coastcitybus · 09/02/2021 06:46

Having to ask a supermarket worker (male) to reach something for me off a shelf.

Taking off my engagement ring to a really important job interview at the age of 28, as I was worried it'd work against me.

Am "Ms Coast" at work but still have people address me as "Mrs" (I'm not married, despite aforementioned engagement ring).

Have several doctors tell me that my gynaeological symptoms were "just anxiety". They were really not.

When I was in sixth form, working with men in their early 20s who thought it was acceptable to brush their crotch past me when walking past me.

Men coming on to me in clubs and having to ask male friends to get them to leave me alone.

Fainting with pain during my periods.

Ended up taking sole responsibility for contraception in every single long term relationship I've had, once sti checks had been done.

Been told that I look too young to be in the senior position that I'm in Angry

As an aside, it took me about a month to convince DP to go to the doctor about a cyst on his testicle (harmless in the end). I pointed out to him that if I can go for smears every three years, have had abnormal cells removed, have had the coil in and out, and had an ovarian cyst diagnosed and removed, (and if women around the world have had to endure much worse than that when it came to gynaeological issues) then he could quit whining about seeing a GP for a spot on his scrotum. I don't think he had actually ever stopped to think properly about what all of those gynaeological things actually entail, even though he's been with me for some of them. I would consider him intelligent and empathetic as well, but clearly totally capable of disconnecting from exactly how an ovarian cyst would be diagnosed and removed.