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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever ... ? (Things women have to deal with, that men don't)

421 replies

EssenceOfDittany · 08/02/2021 23:51

I had a conversation with a naive "be kind" sort of person (male) the other day at work, who casually came out with something about sex being basically irrelevant next to gender identity. I reminded him that the sole reason for women's oppression throughout history is biology, i.e. sex. Thankfully he revised his position pretty quickly and looked like he felt a bit silly for having said it in the first place. (I think he is also blissfully unaware of how controversial such a "belief" is these days, and was only parroting the thing about gender because he'd heard lots of other people say it.)

This got me thinking, I'd like to compile a list of some of the crappy things girls/women have to deal with in their everyday lives that men never/rarely do, so that when someone more set in their opinions says "sex is irrelevant", I can say "really? So, have you ever ... ?"

A few to start us off:

… spent the entire day with a jumper tied around your waste to hide the blood stain on your trousers when your period caught you off-guard?

… left a social gathering earlier than you wanted because you realised you didn’t have enough sanpro to get you through the evening?

… made an excuse to not go swimming when you’d like to, because you realise you haven’t done the requisite bikini/leg/armpit maintenance?

… spent hours painfully removing your pubic hair when you didn’t want to, because an intimate male partner told you it was disgusting and you didn't have the confidence to tell him to sod off?

… endlessly plucked/waxed/obsessed over your upper lip hair because it would be a disaster if someone realised that was your natural state?

… taken the route three times as long, just to avoid going down a short alley alone in the dark?

… clutched your keys between your fingers with the “blade” sticking outwards to make you feel like you might stand a chance if attacked by a man, since you know you’ll have no chance based on strength alone?

… asked a family member to track your location when you’re out alone, and told them exactly where they should expect you to be every step of the journey, so they can raise the alarm if something happens to you?

… felt relieved when your company moved to WFH, because you could finally stop putting on a brave face at your desk while in agony on your period?

… worried about judgement from your colleagues when you say you're “feeling ill” a day or two every month?

... had a constant sick feeling in your stomach when out alone in your local area after dark, because you're afraid of being assaulted/mugged?

Please help me flesh out the list further! I’ve only scratched the surface, and I know there are so many more examples, relating to motherhood, career progression, DV, women’s health, general safety, all sorts. I want to rattle off this list next time someone dares suggest that “sex is irrelevant”.

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Maerchentante · 10/02/2021 15:00

Being treated like I was making it up when I had days off due to sickness, in my previous job I had three absences due to sickness in 12 years, twice D&V, once after an operation.
At the same time the men working there had regular sick notes for "flu" when they just had a bog standard. Didn't even cause a raised eyebrow.

ginandwineandbaileys · 10/02/2021 16:53

@ValancyRedfern

Being told by a (female) Dr that the reason ym periods had stopped was because I read too many fashion magazines and I should eat more. No follow up appt. I am still struggling with eating disorders 25 years on, and I have still never read a fashion magazine.
I was asked as a teen with anorexia, if it was because I wanted to be a model. I was speechless with disgust.
ginandwineandbaileys · 10/02/2021 16:54

Not that there's anything wrong with being a model, I had budding feminist stirrings and hatred for misogyny

WouldBeGood · 10/02/2021 17:04

It is ludicrous to attribute having anorexia to reading fashion mags @ginandwineandbaileys!

ISaySteadyOn · 10/02/2021 17:17

@Coconutfatfeast

Been told by a colleague that I only got good feedback from hard to please clients because I was blonde and wore short skirts (I didn’t).

Being told by another boss that they’d put contraceptive pills in my tea as they didn’t want me going on maternity leave.

This was 5 years ago not the 1970s!

That's a horrifying thing to do to someone. I am sorry that happened to you Flowers
SunsetBeetch · 10/02/2021 17:25

Ah yes the period fevers. I don't get them every time, and I didn't know such a thing existed, so it took me a while to link them to my menstrual cycle, but they are certainly not fun.

I think there are all sorts of menstruation symptoms that haven't been properly looked into because y'know: icky women's stuff.

LadyCatStark · 10/02/2021 17:45

Been asked if your boobs are real 🤨.

Pudmyboy · 10/02/2021 18:35

So many common themes!
Constantly criss-crossing roads at night to avoid males and like @nicegerbil, walking home after school had a group of boys following saying 'lets rape it'...
Every woman I have spoken to has been flashed at at least once: found out when I spoke about it after it happened to me; I asked male friends if they could offer any insight into why men did it: most didn't have an answer, one suggested ' a power thing': at least he tried to answer.

Chottie · 10/02/2021 19:50

Men having deeper voices easily talk over women in meetings so we have to patiently wait until they have talked themselves out before finishing our point.

I was listening to Any Questions on the radio recently and the above situation occurred. The woman said something like "I am speaking, let me finish" in a firm, clear voice and continued to make her point. :) It can be done....

ChakaDakotaRegina · 10/02/2021 20:06

Wearing loose tops so people don’t ask if you are pregnant (have had a tummy for about 10years). Missing out on jobs because recruiter assumes you are pregnant.

Worrying constantly that you are pregnant/not pregnant/miscarrying/evil for needing an abortion/have something wrong regarding periods. Dealing with all these things and getting on with your life or it totally disrupting your life.

The sad realisation that 99.9% of males the same height and size as you and much less fit and healthy (possibly even quite elderly) are able to physically overwhelm you easily if they choose.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 10/02/2021 20:20

The constant mental risk assessment: Never accepting drinks from men unless you go to the bar with them. Drinking from bottles because you can keep your thumb over the top. Having codes with your friends for help get me out of this. Planning meticulously how to get home. Choosing outside seats on the train. Walking with keys between your fingers. Having to visually signal you do not wish to converse with strangers by having headphones or a book.

Anniying · 10/02/2021 20:48

Being tired and accepting a lift from a male stranger who seemed genuinely concerned then cursing yourself the entire way there for being stupid enough to accept the lift, keeping your keys gripped in your hand and praying you make it out of the car alive.

Being genuinely terrified when alone and pregnant in a taxi and the taxi driver turned aggressive and violent and refused to stop the car and locked the doors. Calling the police and repeatedly saying "I feel unsafe, stop the car", having the taxi details on hand because you memorise any car reg numbers as a reflex before entering the car. Almost collapsing once reaching your destination out of fear and sheer relief that you made it out alive.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/02/2021 08:38

I wonder if many men have had an experience I have had which is, from an early age, being told that I am selfish, self-absorbed and ungrateful - and at times when I simply expressed an opinion or desired something a little more than what was considered my due (such as having a bedroom in my favourite colour and not my mum's)? So many men I have met have simply assumed that the world is there to meet their needs, and women are part of that world - that's our purpose and job. But from an early age, I had it beaten into me (literally) that I was there to serve (and by my mother, not so much my dad). This is part of what I describe as the process of gendering me as feminine (or female) - it happened because I was born a woman but it shaped who I am and it is so hard to shake off, especially when women who do assert their selves, wants and needs are so frequently censured and punished for doing so.

Mix56 · 11/02/2021 11:57

Knowing that as Mothers we will need to prepare our daughters for this. Would a Father prepare their daughters in the same way?
How are all these men able to look their daughters in the eye?

Delphinium20 · 11/02/2021 17:38

Put on work probation due to memory lapses and exhaustion from menopause. This happened to a friend. After a few months of symptoms, went to doctor and was prescribed drug management along with good prognosis. When she brought it up at work with manager, letting them know she hadn't felt well due to menopause but was in a great treatment plan with doctor, zero compassion and instead treated like a slacking employee.

NotJustAPairOfBoobs · 11/02/2021 17:54

@ChakaDakotaRegina

Wearing loose tops so people don’t ask if you are pregnant (have had a tummy for about 10years). Missing out on jobs because recruiter assumes you are pregnant.

Worrying constantly that you are pregnant/not pregnant/miscarrying/evil for needing an abortion/have something wrong regarding periods. Dealing with all these things and getting on with your life or it totally disrupting your life.

The sad realisation that 99.9% of males the same height and size as you and much less fit and healthy (possibly even quite elderly) are able to physically overwhelm you easily if they choose.

NC for this

Oh God that reminded me people assuming I’m pregnant because my boobs are large Shock even more embarrassing than explaining ‘No I’m just fat’

Not having anything I say taken seriously by men because of the boobs.

The constant comments and ‘jokes’ about them from men.

Generally having large boobs is hideous when dealing with most men.

I hate my boobs Sad I wish I’d had a reduction when I was younger

RubyGoat · 11/02/2021 18:35

Taken medication (the pill) to control acne in my early 20s. It triggered a neurological disorder which has left me in constant pain, losing my sight, memory, ability to walk some days. I can no longer work. Can't plan anything. Can't go out on my own. Apparently I was just "unlucky".

Nearly died during childbirth. The horrible memory of everything going black as DH leaned across me & a buzzer sounding. I woke up with my legs in the air & a doctor fishing around inside me for missed bits of placenta. Next morning it was evident how much blood I'd lost, it was all over my back, & the bed & floor where they couldn't mop.

Having a month long miscarriage & having to work through it because I'd already used all my sick leave up due to the aforementioned illness. Trousers ruined. Had to explain why chair ruined. Too much time away from desk; pre-disciplinary warning. I didn't even want a baby, I'd had a coil & it had slipped, we'd just decided to be happy about a surprise 2nd baby & then it went away.

Having to take medication to control my illness, that causes birth defects. Hence the reluctance to have a second baby. We'd have loved to, but we can't. I feel like it's my fault we can't. Because I'm ill. Because I briefly took the pill, nearly 20 years ago.

RubyGoat · 11/02/2021 18:45

Oh and another thing. Walking along one day, I was in my 20s & a group of 4 teenage boys about 14-16 walking towards me, one of them said "watch this" to the others, then walloped me really hard in the stomach with his heavy schoolbag. Then they all laughed. I was so stunned by the suddenness of it that I just stood there. Arseholes.
Boys, men never seem to assault women who are with men. Because they are perceived as "belonging to" another man. Only when they alone & therefore vulnerable, they are apparently fair game. They don't have any value or agency of their own. So many people view women as merely adjuncts to men.

Bippertyboo2 · 11/02/2021 18:45

Having the gynae consultant at an ante natal hospital check up call all the students over to see what tiny nipples I have 'she'll have trouble breast feeding' he said and then they all moved on.

Being told to 'cheer up love, it might never happen' by some random man in the street on the anniversary of my son's death.

PerpetuallyUnderwhelmed · 11/02/2021 20:59

Not being informed about what was happening to me during birth to the extent to which I didn’t know how the baby had actually emerged (forceps in theatre, thought they were doing c section).

Being refused pain relief after an episiotomy.

Not being told until I was home that I had had a large heamorrahge.

Suffering anemia from said heamorrahge for months on end whilst looking after a baby.

Having to function at exactly the same level at work as ‘normal’, through horrendous morning sickness, brutal periods or extreme PMT.

Mamibaer · 12/02/2021 04:39

Buying men’s shorts to run in because women’s are either too clingy or too short and I’d prefer not to be leered at while exercising.

Being treated by in laws as nothing more than a vessel for their precious son’s child.

bettybeans · 12/02/2021 05:11

Attended a job interview and then prematurely excused yourself from the room to go and have a miscarriage in their corporate toilets. For quite some time. And had to rearrange outfit in obviously weird way to exit building and get in taxi while trying not to throw up from pain.

Bled on a chair and been unable to stand and leave a meeting until everyone else has gone.

Fainted from heavy menstrual blood loss on public transport.

Been felt up by a 50+ year old man on the bus when you're 14.

Flashed by an old man in park when even younger than that. Maybe 10?

Being looked over for significant promotion because you're pregnant, can't travel and will be going on maternity leave.

Been cornered in a nightclub toilet cubicle by large, drugged up and sexually aggressive man.

Been taunted and harassed by a group of men on a dark street who think it's hilarious that you're alone and take pleasure from freaking you out. Or on a bus. Train. At a bus stop. On a railway platform.

Had a photoshopped image of a topless woman (with your head) spread online among your community, friends, family.

And that's just off the top of my head. There's so so so many there, most of which I try to forget about.

bettybeans · 12/02/2021 05:15

Oh yeah. Had to park pram at open door of toilet while I had crazy post nasty forceps labour bleed. Stitches gone. What a bloody mess. Literally.

Thanks to the woman who asked if I was okay, stood in the way to stop anyone else being able to see and picked up & soothed my hungry, shrieking 2 week old baby.

garlictwist · 12/02/2021 05:18

I don't thing I've done any of the things on your list.

I have been flashed at though. But that was on a canal in France in broad daylight.

Sarahandduck18 · 12/02/2021 07:21

Always having it at the back of your mind that no matter how long you’ve been in a loving relationship it could turn violent any day.